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Florida State shooter a fascist “deeply embedded” in police community (www.wsws.org)
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The suspect in the Florida State University shooter, who faces first degree murder charges for killing two and injuring five on Thursday was a member of Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point USA, a fascist youth group around the Republican Party, and is a registered Republican voter in Florida. The 20-year-old suspect, Phoenix Ikner, is the stepson of Leon County Sheriff’s Office Deputy Jessica Ikner, who has been with the department for 18 years.

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[-] nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 203 points 10 months ago

No terrorism charge? That's crazy. /s

[-] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 66 points 10 months ago

Turning Point USA a designated terrorist group? Yes please.

[-] Wilco@lemm.ee 46 points 10 months ago

The terrorism charge only takes place when the victims exceed a certain income level.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

It's not a prerequisite for the first degree murder charges in Florida like it is in New York State, but I still think his actions qualify based on the state laws. Maybe we'll hear more about what all he is or is not charged with when his court dates are announced, as was the case with Mangione.

2024 Florida Statutes
Title XLVI - Crimes
Chapter 775 - General Penalties; Registration of Criminals
775.30 - Terrorism; Defined; Penalties.

775.30 Terrorism; defined; penalties.—

(1) As used in this chapter and the Florida Criminal Code, the terms “terrorism” or “terrorist activity” mean an activity that:

(a) Involves:

    1. A violent act or an act dangerous to human life which is a violation of the criminal laws of this state or of the United States; or

    2. A violation of s. 815.06; and

(b) Is intended to:

    1. Intimidate, injure, or coerce a civilian population;

    2. Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

    3. Affect the conduct of government through destruction of property, assassination, murder, kidnapping, or aircraft piracy.

(2) A person who violates s. 782.04(1)(a)1. or (2), s. 782.065, s. 782.07(1), s. 782.09, s. 784.045, s. 784.07, s. 787.01, s. 787.02, s. 787.07, s. 790.115, s. 790.15, s. 790.16, s. 790.161, s. 790.1615, s. 790.162, s. 790.166, s. 790.19, s. 806.01, s. 806.031, s. 806.111, s. 815.06, s. 815.061, s. 859.01, or s. 876.34, in furtherance of intimidating or coercing the policy of a government, or in furtherance of affecting the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, commits the crime of terrorism, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3) A person who commits a violation of subsection (2) which results in death or serious bodily injury commits a life felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this subsection, the term “serious bodily injury” means an injury to a person which creates a substantial risk of death, serious personal disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member or an organ.

History.—s. 1, ch. 2001-356; s. 5, ch. 2001-365; s. 1, ch. 2001-366; s. 1, ch. 2017-37; s. 112, ch. 2019-167.
[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

These school shootings often lack (but not always) the needed intent in B.

I don't think it's hard to make a case for that in the CEO shooting.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

That's fair but the text being OR and not AND means it is vague enough that you could apply it to punching two people as it is "a violent act" which "is intended to" "injure".

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's not how I read it personally.

You need to

Intimidate, injure, or coerce a civilian population;

AND

Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

OR

Affect the conduct of government through destruction of property, assassination, murder, kidnapping, or aircraft piracy.

Notice how the influence part has a very explicit or on the end of it, but the intimidate doesn't

If all you had to do was injure someone, and not be trying to influence or alter the conduct of the government through the action, it turns nearly everything violent thing into terrorism.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

When you type a list

thing 1, thing 2, or thing 3

It doesn't imply thing 1 AND 2 or 3.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Why does 2 have that explicit OR then?

Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Because this is a list

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

That doesn't make sense.

If it could be 1 OR 2 OR 3 they would have put the OR beside 1 as well.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Do you write lists like "jeff, paul, stacey, or craig" or do you write them as "jeff, or paul, or stacey, or craig"? It makes perfect sense to me, but if you think words that aren't included in a law are "implied" then good luck pal.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In order to be charged with murder in the 1st degree you must

  1. Kill someone
  2. Premeditated the murder OR
  3. ~~Killed~~ Performed the act while in progress of a felony. (edit: cleaned that up so it wasn't kill and kill)

So yes, you can absolutely write lists like that.

Edit: Other obvious examples are instructions to do nearly anything. It's a list of items, you don't just choose individual items.

[-] gargolito@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

It's a white thing.

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