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Ukraine running out of options to retake significant territory
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The problem is that Ukraine is given enough not to lose, but not enough to win. At this rate, Ukraine will depend on western hand-outs much longer than if the West fully committed to see Ukraine restore its borders.
What do you think "winning" looks like tho? Absolutely annihilating Russia?
Forcing Russia to stop and reverse its invasion. If you think that it will take the total annihilation of russia, so be it.
No. I don't think that's "winning". First of all Russia is more than just Putin. Actual people live there. As much as in Ukraine. They wouldn't be that much better than Russia if Ukraine "invaded" Russia back. Also for that to happen the west would need to support Ukraine so dramatically that it most certainly would come to a nuclear Supergau. This "total annihilation of Russia" would mean in return the total annihilation of the human race.
I don't think Ukraine can "win" against Russia with sheer military might. No matter how much they are supported. That's an archaic view of politics and war. The only real solution to bring piece is a peace contract. It isn't the 11th century anymore where two armies would clash against each other and the one coming out victorious is the winning party of the war. I'm not one of those "stop giving Ukraine weapons and military aid und jUsT tAlK wItH pUtIn" guys but in the end there has to be a treaty. And you can't do that by just bombing the shit out of Russia cuz that'd mean the end of the fucking world.
The problem is that Ukraine is given what the West can afford to give, they haven't got the industry to fight Russia's war machine in a war of attrition anymore after deindustrialization and the shift to neoliberal policies. Sucks to suck, shouldn't have shipped manufacturing to China to crush their domestic labor movement ๐
They've been given the West's surplus. The stuff that's been sitting in inventory waiting to be decommissioned because it was thought to be obsolete.
Turns out Russia's "modern" stuff is inferior to the West's obsolete stuff, though, so that's been working pretty well.