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The heart beating is not a good definition of being alive in my opinion. The heart stopping temporarily doesn't mean you died, you were just in terribly grave danger.
If a person is defined by their heart, what does that make a heart transplant?
utterly useless definition.
Brain oxygen levels are the most important one iirc
Yeah, I'm not in any way medically anything but I think I remember Dr Mike or one of those talking about how brain death is considered death or something like that.
Because once those hit a certain danger threshold there's not much to 'bring back' right? I vaguely recall reading that somewhere.
Brains fail catastrophically and unrecoverably pretty quickly after being starved of oxygen. I don't like the chances of the frozen people who hope to be reanimated in the future
Some of them make for deliciously cursed slushies though
We are all the cardiac system of Theseus on this glorious day.
no, we should use the heart beating as a definition. why? because then I can say I'm undead and have died twice. that's very cool 😎 pls don't take that away from me 🥺 :(
As an old and now retired medic. My personal definition of dead was if you made into the back of my amp-a-lamps or not. If you did you weren't dead-- you were merely having a bit of a bad day. I might have needed to do your breathing for you and I might have needed to make your heart pump blood. But until some doctor somewhere decided you weren't worth his time and effort, you were still alive. Because I don't haul dead people.
So, by my definition as a trained and professional medical person, you where never dead-dead. Just someone have a bad day among many others having a bad day at that time.
And how is lichdom treating you? Have you raised an army of skeleton warriors yet?
But if you've died, then were undead, and then died again, you'd be un-undead right? So alive? It's basic double jeopardy.
~~You put the double 'un' but forgot the double 'dead'.~~
Oh, I didn't realise you were actually catching the thing mid statement.
Still:
That depends entirely on whether the un- prefix only negates the other un- prefix, or the entire adjective.
The thing is that 'un' is different from stuff like 'not', 'non' and the likes, because it is not just denying the referred word but saying that the effect of the referred word was reverted somehow.
You're thinking a little too hard about a silly joke
Your silly joke was on Programmer Humour. You might find geeks and nerds here.
Overthinking is our ikigai.
Now get out of line and continue with further analysis of the 'un'
It's a good thing that the lack of a heartbeat isn't the ultimate definition of dead. But it can be one of the markers of dead.
I mean, sure, you won't stay alive for very long with a stopped heart.
My heart stops after every beat. Fortunately it has always started again before the next one....so far.
people say quitting smoking is hard. I don't understand, I do it multiple times a day.
We use a lot to define being alive not just the heart. The heart stopping is just an easy way to pronounce someone dead. What you described is called a pause. Not really the same thing. Brain death is also a thing. Any organ transplant allows you to function when otherwise you wouldn't be able to.
I meant like, when someones heart stops and gets restarted again with cpr or a defibrillator or something. People often call that being dead, and coming back.
So if someones heart stops we don't actually shock them. That's a medical show myth. We shock them if they're in something called a lethal rhythm. Which is the heart beating but not actually pumping blood. Very similar to the heart stopping and will eventually lead to the heart giving out. CPR keeps the blood flowing which keeps oxygen moving throughout the body preventing permanent damage. We give medications to restart the heart. They don't really die until these interventions are stopped. Some people also have a pacemaker that detects their heart going into a lethal rhythm and will take over the electrical impulse until their heart goes back to normal. By the definition of the heart stopping this person would technically die and be brought back too. So I see what you're saying but I wanted to add some context that this is pretty complex. Even more so when you bring in people deciding when they don't want these interventions.
Hey why do you think they call it "grave" danger
i know this is a joke, but i find it quite interesting those two words have completely different etymologies.
Grave as in burial site comes from an old proto indo european word for "dig", while grave as in serious comes from french.
til french isn't an Indo European language
Grave in this context just means deep. That's one of the meanings of grave
And when i die they’ll throw me into a grave hole.