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Perhaps calling for a boycott with the exception of countering their BS as desired would be better?
But they definitely are well on their way to that on their own with all their bans, I find it hilarious that the only crosspost of the donation threads that were all praise and positivity in the comments was the original one on .ml. That's a massive red flag if I ever saw one LMAO. All the others were, at best, .... controversial lol
When a bar permits dickheads to stay and harass other people, we boycott the bar. There are plenty of better places to hang out.
Yeah, that makes sense to me. It seems maybe a little bit mean-spirited, but so does killing Ukrainians, so whatever the fuck.
I hadn't looked at them, I just checked them out. Yes they're hilarious lol. It kind of looks like maybe the donations went down since they started asking for donations? I noticed a steady flow of "That's a great idea! I just donated!" some of which came from accounts I had tentatively pegged as bullshit propaganda accounts... which itself suggests a fascinating theory which hadn't occurred to me until now. Regardless of that, Nutomic said it used to be €2,000 a week ago, and now Patreon is saying $1,345. There are other platforms (including Opencollective which apparently takes out 17% as transaction fees? WTF?) but it feels to me like Patreon would be the main one and the others would not add up to enough to equal €2,000. And I thought they had stopped getting anything from NLNet? IDK, maybe I am wrong. It definitely doesn't look like it's spiked back upwards.
I sort of am of two minds about it. On the one hand, what the fuck, I don't want to see anyone who is making "good thing" free software be hurting financially. At the end of the day, whatever their politics, I'm sitting here using Lemmy. But then, on the other hand, I cannot understand how they can't see the causal connection between "muahaha I delete your comments and Russia's the best and there's not a single fucking thing you can do about it, peasant, because you are not an admin and I am so fuck you" and "okey dokey I all of a sudden don't feel like giving you money anymore."
There's a massive difference between just having an unpopular view or one I think is wrong, and using your position of authority to demand and enforce that everyone else needs to also, and making no apology for randomly kicking them out or punishing them if they don't want that. I mean even supporting Russia, I think would give people pause about funding you. Doing that second thing is... I mean it sort of spells out to me that he aspires to be Reddit or Facebook and just fuck his users and do whatever he wants unapologetically, because it's his server, and he's just not in a position to do that yet, and that's the only reason he is not.
Maybe being faced with the clear consequences of how he has chosen to be, being forced to go out and get a job as a result, not having people just take care of him unconditionally no matter what, maturing a little, and reconsidering his strategy of treating users like morons and subjects will be the end result.
Maybe not.
No need to be of two Minds about it. If they want to play Vanguard hero in their own time with their own resources. I don't particularly care. If they want to use funds donated by myself or others to fund and echo chamber for that end. That's where the problem is.
I've had the ban happy nature of the admins on the instance run a friend or two off. I can't blame them, and didn't try to stop them. No one likes to deal with that. Least of all the people doing it. It's absolutely a bad book having it be the flagship instance.
It's common practice to defederate from poorly administered servers. The only thing that has generally kept Lemmy.ml from being included among that number. Is that they rarely wander out from their little vanguard. Because they would largely be downvoted to the point of it being useless for their ends.
Yeah, I absolutely agree. I am generally pretty open minded, I thought the tankies were really neat when I first was poking around with Lemmy, it was only further experience and the censorship and total unlistening unreasonableness that turned me against them. Most people in the world are not that open minded. If there's a network founded and operated by people who are hostile, communist, and clearly unhinged and irrational, throwing bans and pictures of pig shit around, most people are going to go to Bluesky and they're going to think you're kind of stupid for continuing to put up with this other network that's for losers and not worth spending energy on.