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The overarching goal of communism is for laborers to own the means of production instead of an owning/capitalist class. Employee owned businesses are the realization of communism within a capitalist society.

It seems to me that most communist organizations in capitalist societies focus on reform through government policies. I have not heard of organizations focusing on making this change by leveraging the capitalist framework. Working to create many employee owned businesses would be a tangible way to achieve this on a small but growing scale. If successful employee owned businesses are formed and accumulate capital they should be able to perpetuate employee ownership through direct acquisition or providing venture capital with employee ownership requirements.

So my main questions are:

  1. Are organizations focusing on this and I just don't know about it?
  2. If not, what obstacles are there that would hinder this approach to increasing the share labor collective ownership?
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[-] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Therefore, socialism should be the ultimate aim.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

It can't be, really, as Socialism either progresses to Communism or backslides to Capitalism.

[-] cattywampas@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

I truly believe a mixed economy is the answer.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

All economies are mixed, the difference in designation of "Capitalist," or "Socialist" depends on which aspect of the economy is principle, private or public. Communism is a post-Socialist society, a highly developed form of Socialism where private ownership becomes redundant and economically unviable.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Socio democracy and I'm onboard.

Edit: all socialist & communist dictatorship losers can go live in North Korea IMO. Read a history book ffs.

Edit2: my fault, I didn't see I was on .ml Tank on tankies.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

Social Democracy is just Capitalism with welfare, all of the "good" Social Democracies in the eyes of Social Democrats like the Nordic Countries depend on Imperialism to function and are seeing sliding welfare and worker protections as a function of being dominated by Private ownership.

[-] Auntievenim@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

America chose the route of social security and a mandated minimum wage instead of the state seizing the assets of robber barons and returning them to the communities that were responsible for their success.

You can see today exactly how well that worked out for the working class: minimum wage is below the poverty line and hasn't been a living wage since the 70s, social security is being undone, and the government regulations that mandated a standard of living for working class Americans have been entirely dismantled.

This is the result of leaving the power within the capitalist class and allowing them to get away with their abuses without punishment: they do it again as soon as they get the chance.

[-] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

Socialism IS democratic production, thus the political systems can reflect as such. Maybe more regional control, as I'm led to understand the Swiss cantons function like. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

The Swiss model isn't Socialist, but I may be misunderstanding your comment.

this post was submitted on 17 May 2025
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