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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I’m pretty sure that was after 2006.

Hamas has been receiving Israeli support since the late 80s when it was founded.

My point here is that despite their many flaws, they actually get things done,

What? Speeding up the genocide by being the Israeli right's perfect foil in this grotesque kayfabe?

and their getting things done is a large part of why the Palestinian cause has gotten as far as it has.

... Gaza is on the verge of total genocide, and the West Bank is looking to be next. Is that progress for the Palestinian cause?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io -2 points 3 hours ago

Hamas has been receiving Israeli support since the late 80s when it was founded.

I just checked and yeah that's true fair enough.

What? Speeding up the genocide by being the Israeli right's perfect foil in this grotesque kayfabe?

Any effective (or not so effective) act of resistance was going to be met with massive Israeli reprisal, so the only way to not be a foil for the Israeli right is to literally do nothing. See: Fatah.

Is that progress for the Palestinian cause?

If somehow Gaza survives this it'll be very much a hotly debated "at what cost" kind of deal, because October 7th did start the countdown for the end of Israel's current existence, but at present no, because of course there need to be Palestinians before there's a Palestinian cause. That said that's not my point; I was responding to the idea that Hamas has been just a parasite passively profiting off Palestinians' suffering when in real life they've been an active contributer to the Palestinian cause while also profiting off Palestinians' suffering. Whether you like their contribution or not (prior to October 7th anyway) is one thing, but they are and were an active resistance organization without which prospects for peace in Palestine would be completely different. I mean there probably wouldn't be a genocide either, but again that's beside the point.

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