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The overarching goal of communism is for laborers to own the means of production instead of an owning/capitalist class. Employee owned businesses are the realization of communism within a capitalist society.

It seems to me that most communist organizations in capitalist societies focus on reform through government policies. I have not heard of organizations focusing on making this change by leveraging the capitalist framework. Working to create many employee owned businesses would be a tangible way to achieve this on a small but growing scale. If successful employee owned businesses are formed and accumulate capital they should be able to perpetuate employee ownership through direct acquisition or providing venture capital with employee ownership requirements.

So my main questions are:

  1. Are organizations focusing on this and I just don't know about it?
  2. If not, what obstacles are there that would hinder this approach to increasing the share labor collective ownership?
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[-] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 16 points 16 hours ago

Employee owned businesses are the realization of communism within a capitalist society.

Right, but we want the whole system changed. Coops are inherently at a disadvantage in monopoly capitalism.

[-] innerwar@lemm.ee 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Sorry my ignorance is showing here but I thought coops might be stronger than a company in a way they have more staying power before a company is forced to enshittify. I naively thought people would recognize the better quality of stuff provided from coops because they don’t have to fulfill the shareholders dreams of line must go up. Edit: I see down below the willingness to exploit is a severe disadvantage to coops

[-] psion1369@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

The more we get, the better it becomes. Trying to just change the whole system at once is just an excuse for not making the small changes that move the needle.

[-] sudo@programming.dev 10 points 11 hours ago

Making more co-ops doesn't make them any more competitive against companies that exploit their workers for extra profit.

If you can make a successful co-op then go for it. But they absolutely aren't a path to any sort of revolution, which communists are all about. Forming a labor union in a critical industry is a much higher priority for communists than starting another co-op.

[-] creamlike504@jlai.lu 3 points 7 hours ago

Small, local communist Ws would enable more state and national communist Ws.

"Well, that co-op just outside of downtown is doing fine. Molly's daughter worked there when she was in high school and said it was the best job she ever had. I guess communists can do some things right."

is an improvement over

"I've never met a communist, but I know they're all stupid and evil. I'm going to vote against anything with the word socialist or communist next to it because [media personality] told me so."

[-] TheBeege@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I'm not convinced of this. One could argue that profit is waste. It's an overhead of wealth delivered for value provided. If co-ops are less incentives towards profit, e.g. by not having a tradeable stock to manage, then the pursuit of profit is a lesser priority. This means the overhead is less, which could mean lower prices.

To put it bluntly, if you don't need to pay dividends to shareholders who deliver no value or huge bonuses to executives at the top, maybe the operating costs could be lower. Yes, the cooperative members would take some of that money as profit sharing among the members, but the working class tends to be less sociopathically greedy than those in power.

Definitely open to feedback. This kind of thinking is newer to me

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

What?? Why would an organisation free of parasites, not trounce the "meritocratic" system?

this post was submitted on 17 May 2025
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