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Deal with EU will make food cheaper and add £9bn to UK economy, says No 10
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Nope. We are required to keep our food standards equal to the EU.
So also on items we sell to ourselves. Not an omission at all. And the very point that brexiters kept arguing. We have always been able to sell to other nations using Thier standards. We are not allowed to accept other standards.
You're claiming that the deal with the EU contains clauses which obligate the UK to use the EU's rules for food sold domestically in the UK?
States it in the article
Thanks.
That doesn't mention domestic sales.
Yes it dose just not in ELI5 language.
Alignment of on EU food standards clearly states our own standards must match the EUs.
I think you're confusing "ELI5 language" and "clear, unambiguous language".
Yet you fail to provide a clear unambiguous interpretation on what else alignment of food standards means.
Or exactly how it is even possible for our food standards to meet the EUs. Without it requiring domestic sales to meet those same standards.
You are asking for ambiguity in something you alone seem able to miss interpret. The rest of the Brexit crowd are not seeing this as a win for them. Just you.
Eh?
Yeah bad wording on my part. Sorry I'm working on multiple things ATM.
I ment you are seeing ambiguity that is not there.
As I explained else where. The rest of the media and even fararge in another news article last night. Seems to disagree that this deal meets any Brexit claim.
They see no abniguity in this meaning all UK food production domestic and export. Must continue meet EU equive standards to ensure less documentation is needed.
It has after all been the crux of the UK EU trade issue from day one.
I disagree.
I haven't seen any of that. Other people haven't experienced the same things you have. Other people don't have the same knowledge you do. That's why it's on you to back up what you're saying by showing others what you experienced (read, watched, whatever) so that they can verify that what you're saying is true. It isn't on other people to experience their life the way you experience yours and you can't assume that they do.
Reference?
Now it is impossible to decide if you are genuinely stupid or a troll.
Asking to reference a lack of ambiguity. After I have posted multiple explanations of exactly how the phrase aligned standards can only mean the standards used to produce and regulate UK food production must match. Yet you have not managed challenge a single one.
Yeah go shove your own head up your arse you troll.
I haven't asked to reference a lack of ambiguity, I've asked for a reference to some source showing "the rest of the media and even fararge" see things the way you do, as you claim.
You haven't provided any reference to back up anything whatsoever you've said in this thread.
As I said, your explanations are irrelevant to me. They're full of holes. From my perspective, you're not a rigorous thinker. The only thing that will convince me is some other source which clearly shows that the agreement is referring to domestic sales. Without that, all I see is noise.
I can't see any mention of domestic sales, could you quote the part you're referring to?
Reread.
Alignment of UK food standards. Means our own standards must continue to meet the EUs.
This is the only reason the EU will ever accept removal of documentation confirming the standards followed in food it will eat.
And exactly what remainers claimed about EU trade throughout the ref.
It is also the exact reason the US trade deals keep failing. Their food standards do not meet ours. So importing US food into the UK would mean deals like this. Where our food standards must align are impossible.
It really is not that complex. If your standards don't meet those of the folks your selling to. Your companies are required to proove the items sold meet their standards not yours. Hence all the last 4 years of difficulties selling to the EU. Has been created by brexiters insisting we should not follow EU aligned standards. Creating the same mountains of paperwork any nation with differing standards face selling to the EU.
The same reason the US wants us to accept chlorinated chicken. So they do not have to proove all their chicken is kept to the same standards we currently require.
They can sell chicken to us now if they are willing to breed it as we do and provide evidence at each import that they did so. Just like we are with the EU now.
But a trade deal giving them simple trade would require alignment between our rules.
All those ISO EN and CE standards you see on electronics and toys. Are the same thing for non food standards. If China wants to sell crap to the UK they need that documention. Of course it's up to the UK to enforce those standards. Hence why non aligned crap gets in. But food tends to be closer watched.
Doesn't contain the words "domestic sales" and is ambiguous and open to interpretation.
I couldn't find any explanation of what this means, or the text of the agreement. How have you determined that "standards" relate to domestic sales?
Your need for an ELI5 is not my issue.
It's not a confusion. Our standards are what we require folks to sell food in the UK. If our standards and the EU are aligned. You have to be pretty fucking stupid to keep insisting that dose not relate to domestic sales.
What the fuck else do you think standards aligned actually means.
I haven't insisted that.
I'm not making any claim about what it means, you are. It's on you to show that what you're saying is true.
Yes I am. Based on a whole history of treaty talks since Brexit where the whole topic was based on trading standards and how alignment was why we could not join the customs union.
Expecting a fucking news article to teach you the topics you seem to have missed. Is expecting ELI5
And you you did suggest a meaning, when you openly interpreted the article as a good benefit of Brexit. And stated that it said nothing about domestic food standards.
You were specifically claiming we had some form of double standard that applies to food we export and food we don't.
Nothing in the article claims that. And I can assure you we as a nation do not. So you invested that meaning to make your rather pathetic point about the deal matching some Brexit benefit.
I made a very clear pretty close to ELI5 maybe 10. Of why I and the other poster was able to interpret the "aligned to EU standards" as relating to domestic sales. Based entirely on facts differing news have covered in detail while May and Bojo were negotiating.
Your failure to understand such simple points. Is likely why you voted Brexit.
I initially interpreted the article differently to you but I didn't make any explicit suggestion of what "dynamic alignment on EU food standards" means. You did and continue to.
I don't even understand what you're claiming here. I haven't made any point about the deal "matching" some brexit benefit, whatever that means.
I'm not asking for you to explain anything. I'm expecting you to back up what you're saying with references to information elsewhere. This is how rigorous debate and communication works. This is basic stuff. If you can't back up what you're saying then don't bother saying anything, you're just making noise.
Unless you have some source which clearly states that "dynamic alignment on EU food standards" relates to domestic sales then to me, what you're saying is just an unverified guess. An opinion. Of no value. Noise.