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I’ve been trying to raise awareness about exit polls being off for years, as well as many states flunking statistical tests with precincts. All the major news in the USA stopped using exit polls to predict many races.
It’s not rocket science, and the numbers can be run by most people with a high school math level and a small level of programming. The raw data is readily available from both government and organizations.
But, this has no interest for any party activists, across the spectrum. Over a decade of trying did convinced me Americans who were politically active really do not want to know.
I feel this is such a complicated issue I do not understand at all. One would think that republicans would take interest in why their candidates loose in the primaries, or the democrats would want to think really hard about the evidence coming from the famous close votes to control the senate or house. But, no.
I came from the computer side of things, with my criticism of voting software. For a long time I tried to talk about software. I figured early on that people were, like you described, just tuning me out. But, after I tried to change tack, and skip any technology or math, there was still no interest.
Over the years I have had many discussions and I concluded this was simply a taboo subject for those who are active in politics. However, those who are cynical, and not participating, readily see the value and truth, but see little value of the knowledge. We have no ready made audience for such discussions.
For a long time I just felt like there was something simply broken in political discussion. There is a wide disconnect between those who participate in American politics and everyone else. Its not math, its not science, its faith. We are challenging the faith of the politically active. What does that make us? Heretics.
We are heretics who speak of things that, if taken seriously, would invalidate the majority of USA elections. The truth would burn the country down. Its remarkable there is such tolerance as seen, and its just people ignoring the few who see the Emperor has no clothes.
And we will be ignored here, there, everywhere, for at least a generation or two, if not longer.
I don't think its a communication problem, I thought that about myself for a few years and finally worked through it. Deaf ears cannot hear. Supporting my contention, is that I have seen people try to improve methods for counting ballots in the USA, and invariably, they give up after shouting to the void after a few years, usually less than five.
Some movements, like getting Virginia to use paper ballots, are rare victories, and are invariably regional in scope.
So, temporarily ignoring who is doing what in cheating, and how prevalent it is, and for how long it has been happening ( I have been against Texas electronic voting enabling cheating for the past generation, and its not hacking, but that is my own starting point into this).
I think anyone who understands the overall issue can agree that the average political participate, or spectator, in the USA, has absolutely no concept of democracy, and is basically an interesting study in psychology. Because, it takes mental gymnastics to overlook exit polls being off, and to just trust whatever process is going on, which they are neither interested in, or curious about. And yet be so hyped up about how many people vote, and for who. Its just a contradiction on so many levels.
For me, its been a singularly frustrating experience. Because I have one foot in the camp of people who do not care, and one foot in the camp of people who do care. I think that is what makes people like me rare.