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[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

They gave you an incredibly lengthy response and you're just going to cut and run?

[-] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 month ago

Yep. I'm somewhat new to some of these ideas, and there's a whole bunch of people trying to raise points at the same time.

If I'm going to learn, and respond intelligently I need to make sure I don't get burnt out, and if this guy opens in such a blatantly bad faith way I'd rather spend the time replying to one of your or the many other intelligent comments I've been getting.

If I misjudged them, they now know how to phrase it to get a reply and I've told them they're free to comment again and make an argument.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yep. I’m somewhat new to some of these ideas, and there’s a whole bunch of people trying to raise points at the same time.

Then say that; don't' try to pull a dismissive "you're wrong, but I can't be bothered to explain why" dodge that you did.

and if this guy opens in such a blatantly bad faith way

He didn't, and it's bad faith of your to say he did.

they now know how to phrase it to get a reply and I’ve told them they’re free to comment again and make an argument.

They spent a lot of time writing out an extensive argument, and they have every right to expect that, if they did it again, you'd find some new procedural nitpick to justify not responding to it.

[-] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 month ago

He didn't, and it's bad faith of your to say he did.

if they did it again, you'd find some new procedural nitpick to justify not responding to it.

Then that's it. If I'm bad faith the discussion needs to end.

If you understand why they might not want to type up a long comment only for the other person to find some nitpick then you 100% understand why I ignored that one specific comment and replied to every single other comment on this thread.

Including to you actually multiple times to which one comment you replied

You've captured the flaw in liberalism extremely succinctly.

Thank you for the compliment. It's funny to see you reply to me in so many different threads I feel like Schrodingers faith right now. Am I good faith? Bad faith? Who knows.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Then that’s it. If I’m bad faith the discussion needs to end.

Great, I'll make sure to report you to the mods if your openly admitting to acting in bad faith.

understand why I ignored that one specific comment

No, because the comment you ignored was extensive and full of reasonable points, which you then ignored with the excuse of a brief nitpick.

Thank you for the compliment.

It would only be a compliment if you were trying to capture the flaw in liberalism.

I feel like Schrodingers faith right now. Am I good faith? Bad faith? Who knows.

Sentences like this certainly push the needle towards bad faith.

[-] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 month ago

Great, I'll make sure to report you to the mods if your openly admitting to acting in bad faith.

Feel free to do that, if I've broken the rules they should remove my comment. I didnt realize this was getting so personal so I will take this as the end of the convo, even across the other threads, just letting you know so you don't waste time replying to those.

It would only be a compliment if you were trying to capture the flaw in liberalism.

I was.

Again, I appreciate the compliment. Take care.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Feel free to do that, if I’ve broken the rules they should remove my comment. I didnt realize this was getting so personal so I will take this as the end of the convo, even across the other threads, just letting you know so you don’t waste time replying to those.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre

I was. Again, I appreciate the compliment. Take care.

Glad to hear you've decided to abandon liberalism.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 1 month ago

Because you refuse to believe what your senses are clearly showing you! This is the result of multigenerational propagandization. Fine. Don't believe it. Merely suspend disbelief, and it's good faith.

I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but it's not brain-bending to grasp this concept.

[-] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

I refuse to believe that which I've seen no evidence for.

So long as it is more convenient to sarcastically quip about how you're right instead of explaining it, I will struggle to be convinced by your words.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 1 month ago

You've commented the evidence yourself.

[-] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

Then why did you claim I can't see it?

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 1 month ago

Wow, you really are arguing in bad faith. What I said was:

Because you refuse to believe what your senses are clearly showing you!

[-] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

I'm literally confused as fuck right now. Help explain this in a different way.

I provided evidence for a thing I believe in. You're accusing me of refusing to believe the thing I showed evidence for?

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 1 month ago

What you're experiencing is cognitive dissonance, and I experienced it, too, when I came to these magazines. Sometimes I still do. I think walking away, getting proper rest, nutrition, and a long walk, other quiet time to sit with yourself and let the competing thoughts quiet, then rereading the thread before making further argument or further asking questions will be helpful to you. You can jot your questions down to ask later.

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