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No, this isn't a cast iron thing. Using stainless pans, you can get nonstick effects that, in my experience, far outperform Teflon anyway. The process is called "spot seasoning." I have cooked crispy, cheesy rice noodles with eggs with zero sticking.

I love my cast iron pans, but stainless is my daily go-to. Added bonus: use 100% copper wool to clean your stainless pan. The copper-coated wool at most grocery stores is problematic; you might get a few uses out of the coated garbage and then it starts shedding metal bits.

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[-] Nick@mander.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that any other cookware material outperforms Teflon nonstick, and actually harms the conversation when trying to convince people to switch to an alternative. Nothing is going to beat the nonstick performance a fresh nonstick pan, and that's perfectly fine. I don't need a pan so nonstick that I could start an egg in a cold pan with no oil. Well-meaning people run the risk of frustrating less experienced cooks when they assert that they'll get the exact same or better results from a stainless steel pan, which just isn't true, especially right from the start. Stainless has plenty of other benefits that make it more than worth the learning curve to use. Sometimes you want some stick, to build fond for a pan sauce. Or you need a pan that can go from stovetop to oven to finish cooking.

This post wasn't aimed at you specifically, I just wanted to vent at what I feel like has been an uptick in cookware bros flexing their ability to reduce sticking on stainless steel ("I'm so smart I name dropped this little-known thing called the Leidenfrost effect"). I quite like your video and post because they show an alternative way to reduce sticking on stainless that is definitely more forgiving for a beginner than trying to hit a specific temperature range.

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As a wonderful cook, I resent just about every piece of cooking advice. They're just oft-repeated, poorly-understood concepts.

For example, I love cast iron. It's my go-to for nearly all my cooking. I cannot stand cast iron people. They think their lump of iron is a baby that needs to be spit polished and pampered like a Fabergé egg. No, you beat the ever-loving hell out of it, abuse it, soak it in water, leave it to rust, abuse it with scouring pads... then you rub a 1/16th tsp of oil on it and get on with life/cooking.

Edit: Same thing with knives. Before you give me a huge sermon about how to sharpen and care for knives, why don't you understand that you can use a $5 German steel chef knife, a Rada quick sharp and a hone. For the amount most people cook and prep, that's going to last 30 years. I cook every single meal from scratch, there's 20,000 cutting board Kms on my $5 knife. Yet if the subject comes up, people are linking $300 knife reviews... Proof they want to have a knife, not use a knife.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago

I went for a cheapish knife, like £20 or so each for a few knives. My thinking was I don't want the 20 knives in a set for £19.99 that are probably made of stamped aluminium and hollow plastic handles, but by £20 you are getting something good without spending a silly amount of money.

As for the cast iron I won't deliberately leave mine to rust, but happily use it over a fire and then just wipe off the worst of the soot/ash. But it's black anyway so no one is going to notice spot buildup. Just remove anything that would easily brush off on other things.

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I agree with your approach

I think knife sets are a bit of a con job because a good cook really just uses one or two. I'm looking at my knife block and I'm seeing 9 different knives in there, two of them get used. Two.... The $5 el-cheapo chef knife and a $1 paring knife. I haven't used the serrated bread knife in 10 years, because my chef knife is sharp enough to shave my beard

I'm also kind of exaggerating a bit on my prices. Yes I've paid $5 or 6 but I time the purchases to be right after Christmas when they're on clearance. I'd say in "real money" and with recent inflation I'm using about a $35 CAD knife

I also find the pricing of them to be completely arbitrary. I have been gifted knives that should be extraordinarily high quality based on retail price... And found the handles/plugs were falling off, or they were degrading within weeks!

I don't understand why we live in a world where someone can sell a $500 knife that in terms of manufacture and material cost, is almost indistinguishable from a no-frills budget one. And in many cases, conspicuously worse in every measurement!

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Been looking at sharpening stones a bit today, genuinely wonder if I could instead get 2 slate roof tiles and grind them against each other until the surface is flat enough to use to sharpen a knife. Would cost almost nothing.

Or bits of slate for making walls, would have more thickness to it but otherwise more irregular sizing. Could chip it to the right kind of size first and then grind the stones smooth though.

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I love the wild, devil may care, DIY approach!

It's the type of lunacy that I would try just to see how it works hahahah

I've said in many other threads in regards to cooking, and my knives, that I admit and confess, in full, that I am a complete rebel and sinner

I use a dual wheel Rada quick sharp to blast the correctly angled edge, knowing full-well that it shears off material, and then I quickly use my 14-in hone. I am completely aware that I am gradually eroding my knife, but I don't care, it's sharp enough to shave a buffalo and it takes me 8 seconds

I know by official standards and reckoning... I am abusing my knives and doing it "wrong"

But I cook every day, and it takes me 5 years to go through a knife. I completely gave up on sharpening with a stone a decade ago. My attitude is "fuck it, I'll just get another knife in 5 years, this is a primary tool for me and I'm not going to baby them"

I would love to know how this works out for you though!!! I can absolutely envision a scenario where you angle these pieces of slate and you make yourself your own version of a quick sharp!! This is madness though, which is why I love it LOL

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago

Knife hipsters: You must spend £200 on these whetstones!

Me: Haha, £1.50 roof tile.

Shame I don't live near anywhere to get slate or another suitable rock type, would be a few hundred miles away. The rock here is rather crumbly sedimentary rock from what I have seen. Slate coasters could be dual purpose.

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago

Now you've got me wondering what kind of materials are cheap as hell, come flat out of the production line, and are still more durable than the steel you're sharpening.

This whole convo has got me thinking!

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 weeks ago

Well that is why I thought slate tiles. Really any kind of tile is fairly cheap per unit and they are mass produced with the expectation that most people are buying them in larger quantities than 1. I would doubt you can go much cheaper than that unless you are just taking stone and working it yourself, but then you are going to want a lot more tools.

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Oh yes, I didn't say it but I agree with your idea of slate, I personally would love to try it even though I know that will never happen!

I suppose what I meant is, in my experience, there are so many different materials made for so many different industries... a lot of times one exists already for extremely cheap in a place you just wouldn't think to look.

Not being very experienced with slate myself, I'm not sure if it's uniform on the surface or how much prep it would take? I know from grinding lenses that as much as we think you can just press two surfaces together and they'll become flat, the opposite happens. So I'm thinking of slate and thinking how neat it would be if you could plane it down, but I'm also thinking of what else!

[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

World is a better place when we dont buy pans that are designed to give you cancer and fail in a few years.. Teflon is reserved for the 1-2 dishes that require non stick at a low temperature. The few dishes that I cant think of right now but i'm sure they're out there.

[-] Nick@mander.xyz 0 points 1 month ago

You won't find any disagreement from me there. I just think that when you set the expectation too high (stainless steel can actually be more nonstick than Teflon), people will give up and just go back to nonstick pans when they can't achieve those results.

Regarding dishes that are solely the domain of Teflon, I think it definitely has a place for dishes that already have a high bar for execution. A perfect French omelette is hard enough on a nonstick that adding another layer of heat management puts it out of reach for most people. But like you said, there's not much that I'd use Teflon for, so I just don't have one after switching to induction.

[-] ChexMax@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago

I'm glad I am reading your comments. I am that kitchen novice. And so is my husband. We've been trying to move away from Teflon since we had a baby, and are struggling to make stainless steel worth the extra time it takes to clean. I've been feeling very frustrated that despite trying to do the heat it up and use oil thing, it's still awful, and I figured either we're dumb and bad or everyone online is just lying. We just went back to Teflon, because people online say it should be perfectly non stick and then also that you can only clean the stainless steel with a soft cloth. It's hell.

[-] Nick@mander.xyz 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

First of all, congratulations on the baby! :) If you don't mind me asking, what sorts of dishes are you struggling to make on stainless steel?

I'm going to be presumptuous here and make a few suggestions, so feel free to push back if you've tried some of these things and they haven't worked or aren't as easy as I'm presenting. If you do still want to transition to stainless, it'll be easiest to start by only doing it bit by bit, rather than all at once. Dishes that naturally contain some acidic element (like tomatoes, citrus juice, vinegars, or wine) will be easiest to cook without a bunch of sticking. I'd recommend starting with a tomato-based pasta sauce. If, as it reduces, you notice bits sticking to the sides, it's easy enough to loosen up just by stirring a bit of the sauce onto it. Once you're more comfortable with this, you can try sauteing vegetables in the pan. Even with preheating, it'll might result in some stuck on bits, but adding a splash of lemon juice or champagne vinegar at the very end and agitating all of the ingredients should both brighten up the overall dish a bit as well as lift most (if not all) of those browned spots you saw. When it comes to searing meats, you might also have to adjust how often you're flipping. If it feels stuck when trying to flip it for the first and second time, waiting a bit longer will eventually lead to the meat releasing from the pan. After the initial release on both sides, it won't be anywhere near as sticky and you can flip as often as you're used to. I wouldn't worry about any browned spots either. While resting the meat, you can toss a bit of wine along with some stock in, turn up the heat, and stir continuously to loosen those bits up as well as flavor your pan sauce. Once it's reduced to about your desired consistency, you can throw a slice or two of cold butter in and stir for a relatively low effort but still tasty pan sauce. Plus, you make washing the pan much easier. I think this tends to be easier than trying to achieve a nonstick effect with stainless, and sort of demonstrates that there's ways to work around the issues some people have that aren't strictly heat management.

My cat really wanted to press the submit button halfway through and force me to edit it to complete the thought as quickly as possible. Sorry if it isn't quite helpful, and I'd be happy to follow up on any of it.

[-] ChexMax@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

That's all wonderful advice. I'm trying to make scrambled eggs. It's one of the baby's favorite foods. Any advice there?

[-] Nick@mander.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

Unfortunately, scrambled eggs are one of those things that are a bit harder to cook in stainless. If you've been using oil, switching to butter can help with some of the sticking, but you might end up using more butter than you'd like and some heat management is still necessary. Honestly, a lot of people keep a single nonstick frying pan just for things like eggs, seared fish, or sauteed tofu, so don't feel pressured to make it work on stainless.

If you really feel compelled to move off Teflon completely, a carbon steel or cast iron pan will be much better suited to replacing nonstick for the instances where you're getting excessive sticking, at the cost of needing to avoid acids in the pan. But if I were you, I'd just keep using my Teflon pans until there's any flaking or chipping before making up my mind.

[-] ChexMax@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you for the response

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