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[-] dukeGR4 13 points 1 year ago

Chinese are obsessed with big cars just like the US. Many German marques have China exclusive models like “L” version for more popular models which not just longer but also heavier

[-] pooh@hexbear.net 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

1 in 4 cars sold in China in 2022 were EVs, and China has more than 50% of global share of EVs. Anecdotally, even with Chinese cars that aren't EVs, it's pretty rare to see the massive trucks or SUVs that are more common in the US, though they do exist. Also if you look at total car ownership per capita, China (226 vehicles per 1000 people) is well below the US (908 vehicles per 1000 people).

[-] dukeGR4 22 points 1 year ago

interesting stats, thanks for the information

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 42 points 1 year ago

But the government actually cares about stamping down on cars. Congestion policy in big cities is actively hostile to cars.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

I saw so many fucking buicks there

But also the trains are so, so good.

[-] dukeGR4 32 points 1 year ago

their railway is arguably their government's best modern project, will literally pay dividends for decades to come. uplifted so many people from poverty and improving social mobility. say what you want about the lack of freedom there, gotta hand it to their government for getting shit done sometimes.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

It's so pleasant to ride too. So smooth you can't even feel it accelerate, plenty of legroom even for tall foreigners, lots of outlets and the cell service is rock solid the whole way

Gotta say, The Governance of China hits different on a Fuxing Hao at 350km/h

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

China is more free than America

[-] eatmyass@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

Bruh are you arguing Chinese car culture is on any way comparable to us car culture?

[-] dukeGR4 8 points 1 year ago

"Bruh" When did i say that? merely drawing parallels that Chinese people love big cars just like people in US.

tho they don't have huge pick up trucks and what not last time i was there. And what's so good about US car culture anyway, most people are driving around in Altimas and Camrys.

[-] eatmyass@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nothing is good about US car culture. And yeah of course the Chinese have cars, but there’s much less car dependent infrastructure. In the US you pretty much are forced to have a car if you live outside of like 3 cities

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago
[-] dukeGR4 11 points 1 year ago
[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

thank you :bruh:

[-] Pastaguini@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

I never knew that, so thanks for letting me know, but be that as it may, there exists far less car dependent infrastructure in China. In America, that giant car is your only option. In China, you usually have way more sustainable options, which we see reflected in their lower carbon emissions per capita.

[-] dukeGR4 17 points 1 year ago

In China, you usually have way more sustainable options, which we see reflected in their lower carbon emissions per capita.

True that, they are leading the EV game. Even Audi is forming a JV with state-owned SAIC. I believe Volkswagen is doing the same thing with another Chinese EV company.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

EVs still cars, still bad.

But China is also leading the micromobility game, with fast, cheap, and powerful escooters, EUCs, eskate, and so on.

[-] dukeGR4 8 points 1 year ago

cars are not inherently bad, it's only bad when you have a government that entirely expect people to rely on cars as a transport. I would argue for big countries like US and China, car is still the way to go. But public infrastructure ie. public transport has to keep up as well to give people an option. A

lso micromobility only works in urban centres. I live in suburbs myself, i can kinda use my e-scooter as a last mile transport solution but anything more than 5km i would say it's a bit of a stretch.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 58 points 1 year ago

cars are inherently bad demolish the suburbs

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago
[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

It took a while to find the right instance

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Glad you found your way home, comrade Care-Comrade

[-] Judge_Juche@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

The vast majority of people in China don't own cars and don't live in suburbs, most people live in apartment complexes where everyday services are within 20 minutes walk from their building.

Like American car culture is completely unsustainable in China. China right now has a 1/4 of the per capita car ownership of the US and they have some of the worst congestion in the world. Beijing and many other large cities only allow people to drive their cars two or three days out of the week. They base it off the last number on your license plate, and the cops will stop and potentially impound your car if you are driving on the wrong day. And this policy has like 90% support becuase of how bad traffic is otherwise.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cars fucking suck, and the only reason they don't is that we've designed a world where they're necesay.

Edit: "Big countries" like us and china are exactly the places that could most benefit from non-car infrastructure. Having high-speed-rail connect the country instead of highways is in all ways a better solution.
It is a more efficient way of transporting both goods and people, with less maintenance required, and expansion being less costly, and space being less of a demand.
The only thing cars are optimal for is "last mile delivery" and even then there is often a better solution - micromobility like bikes, escooters and the like for people.
The only reason we think cars are "good" is because they solve issues that come as a result of making a csr-centric society.

[-] dukeGR4 1 points 1 year ago

ok, don't drive or ride in a car then

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

we designed a world where they're necessary.

What part of this is it that you dont understand?

[-] dukeGR4 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

but you are contributing to the problem? don't be a hypocrite.

every single time you use the car, think of the animals etc that you are harming. the greenhouse gases especially

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

speech-r smuglord

Yes surely we can make individual solutions to systemic issues

[-] dukeGR4 0 points 1 year ago

yes, we can all play our part. reduce usage of cars at least? or take public transport more that's what i'm doing.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good for you - I bike nearly everywhere and if that's not possible I take public transport.
These actions does not in any way change the underlying structural issues. They are not a solution, at best they can be described as patch-work.

My biking to work doesn't change the facts that we've designed a world reliant on cars, which is the only reason why we think cars don't suck. But cars are a necessity for quote a large part of the population. Posing individual solutions like "I just don't do it" does not change this fact. Using a car because it is necessary, despite hating cars is not hypocrisy.

Solving this issue that is the car-reliant society requires structural change, not individual solutions.

[-] Pastaguini@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

I was thinking more along the lines of trains and other public transportation options.

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

71% of Chinese people own a car, 92% of American people own a car. The US is the highest car ownership rate on Earth outside of tiny little rich countries like Liechtenstein and San Marino. China is number 94 beneath the Dominican Republic, Syria, Malaysia, Bulgaria, Uruguay, etc.

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