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[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 days ago

been 0 proof of any kind of ethnic cleansing

At least 10000 killed through shelling and other nazi operations. Odessa massacre.

the war was started by Russian aggression and a desire for USSR levels of territory

Complete lie. Russia's terms for peace are about the same as to have not started the war. No NATO, demilitarized if they need hateful rulers, but preferably denazified with fair elections. Terms that were always going to end war immediately.

examples of war where the side that is the defender was the bad guy/where aggression in order to violently control the political scene was viewed as a good thing. People routinely condemn the US for the very thing you’re claiming Russia is doing.

War on Russia was 100% provoked by US puppeted Ukraine. JFK was allowed to set red lines on Cuban missiles. Your theory is that all bar fights are started by the one seen throwing the first punch.

[-] healthetank@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Lol this is ridiculous.

To be clear, if you can't provide me sources from non-russian news, I'm not going to continue to engage.

least 10000 killed through shelling and other nazi operations Again, source. This is just saying "trust me bro, it's happening everywhere."

Odessa massacre. 2014 protests that non-american news agencies agree were escalated by pro-russian protestors?

Russia’s terms for peace are about the same as to have not started the war.

Nice of you to avoid mentioning one of the key points for disagreement - "Ukraine must ... withdraw all of its troops from the entirety of the territory of four Ukrainian regions claimed and mostly controlled by Russia.".

Ceding territory is the largest current sticking point for any peace agreement, and is in line with what I said above.

War on Russia was 100% provoked by US puppeted Ukraine

Just so that I'm clear, you're arguing that the wholesale invasion and slaughter of Ukrainians is the US's fault, not the Russian invaders?

Beyond that, I'd love to see any proof you have that of US coup/puppeting Ukraine. The only thing I've ever seen in " support" of this is that dumb ass interview with a state senator that's been edited to hell and back to make it sound like it was an official coup.

I'm no history buff, but arguing "they made me" during an invasion is always the argument of the aggressor. US vs Middle east for WMD was the same bullshit. China vs Taiwan is heading in the same direction. China used the same excuse during hong Kong protests. Israel is using the same excuse now for Palestinians.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 days ago

2014 protests that non-american news agencies agree were escalated by pro-russian protestors?

There were uppity protesters, ok. They were overwhelmed and burned alive for their uppitiness. Nazi regime liked the result and felt no need to investigate or punish. Entire post 2014 Ukraine history is "those who protest nazi scum that hates Russians are subhuman and need to be exterminated." Utter joke of relying on revisionist pro nazi western and Ukrainian warmongering sources for reality.

“Ukraine must … withdraw all of its troops from the entirety of the territory of four Ukrainian regions claimed and mostly controlled by Russia.”.

The liberated regions of Ukraine voted to join Russia. Pro nazi west could reasonably negotiate Ukraine keeping its side of Dniepro river as long as it agrees to demilitarize Ukraine. Land is negotiable. Nazi hatred that stays militarized for purposes of perpetual terrorist attacks on Russia is not. Ceasefire for purposes of just building more fortifications and waiting for new arms shipments/production is not a productive purpose. Yes, Ukraine could have had far better terms if it had not provoked the war.

the wholesale invasion and slaughter of Ukrainians is the US’s fault, not the Russian invaders?

100%. Losing a war has no relationship to who started it, and the US/Ukaine nazi rulership position is $1 of damage to Russia is worth 1m Ukrainian lives. Russia spent 8 years attempting peaceful resolution. NATO refused all discussions on Russian security concerns, and proudly boasted that ignoring Russia resulted in the sucessful colonization of 2 new slaves.

proof you have that of US coup/puppeting Ukraine

Very easy to do your own research. Not debatable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs&pp=ygUPdWtyYWluZSBvbiBmaXJl

China used the same excuse during hong Kong protests.

Traitorous HK media mogul brainwashing "Love US values" was a clear shit disturber CIA asset intent on destabilization. That our media jumps on the CIA message opportunity to glorify destabilization is the inherent programing we are submitted to.

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