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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by destructdisc@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

Just to be clear, I do think the obvious solution to terrible things like this is vastly expanded public transit so that people don't have to rely on cars to get everywhere, not overhyped technology and driving aids that are still only marginally better than a human driver. I just thought the article was interesting.

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[-] Quazatron@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Trains? We've been using those for over a century now.

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

They don't help with last mile.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

Have you considered more trains?

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

Sure! let's put train lines in every other street! Brilliant!

[-] Evkob@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

More trains, trams, bicycle and/or e-scooter rentals, walking (a mile is what, 20 minutes walk at most?)

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago

Trains?! For last mile?!
Trams, sure, smaller buses that run more often too. More routes.
Bicycles et al so long as they pay insurance, have a plate and know the traffic rules like everyone else - and preferably put them in their own lanes when possible.
Walking... if you have time and physical ability, but who cares about that, right? It's so cool and eco-friendly to say "just walk 20 minutes".

[-] Evkob@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Bicycle insurance and plates? Why? That makes zero sense. We have these for cars because cars are dangerous, not just for funsies. Bicycles don't pose the same danger.

Walking... if you have time and physical ability, but who cares about that, right? It's so cool and eco-friendly to say "just walk 20 minutes".

Yeah it is cool and eco-friendly to walk 20 minutes (assuming one is able-bodied, as you mention.)

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago

Bicycles do pose similar dangers. A cyclists running a red light it the typical example. Forces someone else to swerve and hit a post then what?

[-] Evkob@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

Cyclists on the whole break traffic laws a lot less than motorists.

Also, I love how your only example of "the dangers of cyclists" involves someone in a car having to react to a cyclist. If everyone is cycling, speeds are low enough to react and typically avoid collisions even if a potential conflict arises. The "forces someone to swerve" phenomenon mostly happens at the speed of motor vehicles.

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

Cyclists on the whole break traffic laws a lot less than motorists.

That's utter bullshit, I see them running lights all the time. And riding in groups, clogging the whole road, like they're on the freakin' tour de France.

You should know that it doesn't take "motor vehicle speeds" to cause a (serious) accident. And I suspect you do.

[-] Evkob@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

I wasn't talking about people on group rides, I'm talking about people using bikes as a means of transportation. I agree that people in group rides can sometimes be bothersome road users.

Red lights and stop signs are designed for cars and it's honestly stupid to expect cyclists to treat them the same way. Studies have shown that treating stops as yields when on a bike is safer for all road users.

You should know that it doesn't take "motor vehicle speeds" to cause a (serious) accident.

That's not what I said. I was pointing out how your "swerve into a post because a cyclist ran a red light" is a dangerous situation made possible only by the presence of cars.

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

Red lights and stop signs are designed for cars and it's honestly stupid to expect cyclists to treat them the same way.

About time you should your zealotry. Or trolling.

made possible only by the presence of cars.

Cars on roads? Oh no! Yeah I'll go with trolling.

Cheers.

[-] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago

so you want to ruin childhood by placing pointless restrictions on bikes?

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

Riiight, childhood's defined by riding bicycles and not doing so would ruin it... uh-huh. Kids can ride them.all they want in parks and bike lanes, but you want them on the street alongside those dangerous cars? They might have a serious accident... now that would ruin their childhood.

Grownups can ride on roads (if there's no bike lane available) provided the vehicle has a plate and is insured, like any other vehicle. The driver should have the basics of road safety and rules, as any other driver.

Your think of the children take is kinda lame, especially considering most kids these days care more about game consoles that bicycles (which is bad imho).

[-] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago

I currently live in a place where there aren't sidewalks for more than 80% of the roads (heck I've lives in a place that had two roads with sidewalks and only 4 with pavement) treating roads as inherently unsafe is fair only in the context of stupidly large cities. There are still a bunch of cities that have dirt (not gravel) roads and they suit the needs because if there aren't hundreds of people needing to use a road it doesn't need to be able to handle dozens of cars.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 0 points 2 months ago
[-] Quazatron@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Well, they do, but don't cause traffic deaths.

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