You are not missing much if you skip the interview. The highlight of the interview is Ross Douhat having the audacity to say not poisoning kids is a leftist take (Michael Clayton, written and directed by Tony Gilroy). Which gets them into a yelling match, and Tony Gilroy basically concerned for his mental well-being, cause he goes, I don't know how not poisoning people is a left or right take. I don't know how these people manage to fail upwards into goddamn nytimes podcasts, columns, and newsletters. Jabouie is the only decent columnist in the nytimes right but he hides his power level (if he has one).

Tony Gilroy has basically read a lot of history books and knows enough to craft a good story. The end.