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[-] blarghly@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

When people talk about AI taking off exponentially, usually they are talking about the AI using its intelligence to make intelligence-enhancing modifications to itself. We are very much not there yet, and need human coaching most of the way.

At the same time, no technology ever really follows a particular trend line. It advances in starts and stops with the ebbs and flows of interest, funding, novel ideas, and the discovered limits of nature. We can try to make projections - but these are very often very wrong, because the thing about the future is that it hasn't happened yet.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com -1 points 2 months ago

Although i agree with the general idea, AI (as in llms) is a pipe dream. Its a non product, another digital product that hypes investors up and produces "value" instead of value.

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Not true. Not entirely false, but not true.

Large language models have their legitimate uses. I'm currently in the middle of a project I'm building with assistance from Copilot for VS Code, for example.

The problem is that people think LLMs are actual AI. They're not.

My favorite example - and the reason I often cite for why companies that try to fire all their developers are run by idiots - is the capacity for joined up thinking.

Consider these two facts:

  1. Humans are mammals.
  2. Humans build dams.

Those two facts are unrelated except insofar as both involve humans, but if I were to say "Can you list all the dam-building mammals for me," you would first think of beavers, then - given a moment's thought - could accurately answer that humans do as well.

Here's how it goes with Gemini right now:

Now Gemini clearly has the information that humans are mammals somewhere in its model. It also clearly has the information that humans build dams somewhere in its model. But it has no means of joining those two tidbits together.

Some LLMs do better on this simple test of joined-up thinking, and worse on other similar tests. It's kind of a crapshoot, and doesn't instill confidence that LLMs are up for the task of complex thought.

And of course, the information-scraping bots that feed LLMs like Gemini and ChatGPT will find conversations like this one, and update their models accordingly. In a few months, Gemini will probably include humans in its list. But that's not a sign of being able to engage in novel joined-up thinking, it's just an increase in the size and complexity of the dataset.

[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I do expect advancement to hit a period of exponential growth that quickly surpasses human intelligence. Given it adapts the drive to autonmously advance. Whether that is possible is yet to be seen and that's kinda my point.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

They've been saying "AGI in 18 months" for years now.

[-] Zexks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No "they" haven't unless you can cite your source. Chatgpt was only released 2.5 years ago and even openai was saying 5-10 years with most outside watchers saying 10-15 with real nay sayers going out to 25 or more

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Ask ChatGPT to list every U.S. state that has the letter 'o' in its name.

[-] Zexks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Here are all 27 U.S. states whose names contain the letter “o”:

Arizona

California

Colorado

Connecticut

Florida

Georgia

Idaho

Illinois

Iowa

Louisiana

Minnesota

Missouri

Montana

New Mexico

New York

North Carolina

North Dakota

Ohio

Oklahoma

Oregon

Rhode Island

South Carolina

South Dakota

Vermont

Washington

Wisconsin

Wyoming

(That’s 27 states in total.)

What's missing?

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Ah, did they finally fix it? I guess a lot of people were seeing it fail and they updated the model. Which version of ChatGPT was it?

[-] Zexks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago
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