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no i think top left might want to wear trousers or something
There are nuns today who dress similarly to that; they have all the freedom in the world to wear trousers but they don't. Puritanical society saw an entire nation of people (both men and women) who chose to dress in such a manner because they were very religious; yes there must have been women who wanted to dress otherwise, but this was the average because they came from very devout societies. Studying history you find people were just extremely different to how people are today; their views were just radically different. Were there individuals who wanted to wear trousers? Surely, but the majority believed this was how they were supposed to dress.
Was anyone forcing them (men and women) to go to church? To pray? No, they chose this for themselves because they were genuinely devout and it reflected in their lives. Heck, whoever was supposedly forcing them, who was forcing those people? These are people from a vastly different lifestyle compared to today.
Nuns are the perfect example; they have the freedom today to dress in trousers and to get an office job, but they choose the life they do because their views are just wildly different to our own.
and how would they be treated if they chose to do so? that's my fucking point. there are/were true believers in these communities, just as there are iconoclasts, and there is/was a spectrum of conformists who might choose something else if it wasn't for the rigid structure limiting their imagination. that latter group too, is oppressed, even if they don't see or mind the chains (but going to far is how you get e.g. the france thing or a hypothetical where not only is nudity decriminalized but pants are outlawed)
Nuns are a terrible example because they're not forced into that by the dominant culture.
I guess the difference here is that I genuinely believe the true believers were the norm; true believers both men AND women. As for the rigid structure limiting the imagination of the conformists, even today we have structures of our own limiting our own imaginations and we're content with these, just as they were content with their own structure. The meme reflects the average lady back in puritan times, not the iconoclast.
You're right that they're not forced into that choice by the dominant culture, and with that freedom of choice what choice are they making? They're not being forced into this choice and they're choosing to live like this, what then do you think when you have a puritanical society where everyone is that devout?