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[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 28 points 1 day ago

Honestly? It’s a great deterrent. Have you heard of a nuclear power being attacked for real? Ukraine disarmed voluntarily and see where that got them. Everyone should get nukes and threaten everyone (or „warn” if you’re Israel).

Mexican standoff nuclear doctrine, you’ve heard it here first.

[-] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 16 points 1 day ago
[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 day ago

MAD only assumes inevitability of retaliation. Mexican Standoff doctrine adds complete global proliferation so that nobody can be bullied.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

You can insaneify this further:

Not only have total nuclear armament for every country on Earth...

Every country on Earth also employs Israel's Samson Doctrine.

Which is: If we're going down, we are sending a nuke at every nearby capital we can, ally, foe, neutral, doesn't matter; if we can't exist, no one can.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 22 hours ago

Which is: If we're going down, we are sending a nuke at every nearby capital we can, ally, foe, neutral, doesn't matter; if we can't exist, no one can.

And that guarantees they’re never going to be existentially threatened. Now let’s have that for everyone so it’s actually fair.

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

... and it only works if all governments are rational actors that can reliably safeguard their nuclear stockpile. If either of those cease to be true, Bad Things^TM^ happen.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

You live in a state with nukes, opinion disregarded.

[-] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 4 points 1 day ago

so it's either everybody or nobody, makes sense

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Alternative is nuclear powers do what they want to everyone else. As someone living in a non-nuclear capable state I think that’s something that should be fixed asap, for our benefit, and others must be thinking that too. Especially after how worthless security guarantees turned out to be.

[-] smayonak@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It's pretty dumb as a deterrent because a single miscalculation and it would set off a chain reaction that ends human civilization.

Think of it this way: because nuclear missiles are not immediately traceable to their country of origin, each nuclear-armed country will immediately launch at their perceived enemies without validating who attacked them. All it takes is one launch. This might deter a sane person but we are led by narcissists and these are not rational people.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 2 points 22 hours ago

Yes, that argument would make sense if there were no nukes in existence but some countries have nukes already.

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