24

We all know Bernie has its many limitations, and how he likes to co-opt movements for then water them down. He made many mistakes in his life, like voting for the intervention in Yugoslavia. However, at least in what concerns this conflict, I like how he grew a spine and is voicing his opinion this time at least. Some people who follow him will get his message.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] burlemarx@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't disagree with you in any of your points. I agree with you that he is not an ally. Bernie is really a Zionist apologist. He is a scumbag that confuses some people that actually supports socialism to follow his lead instead of working on building genuine movements.

My only point regarding Bernie's latest speech is that he asks not to further escalate the conflict. I think it is useful, and that is it. Right now, an escalation of the conflict benefits no one. And we need to take advantage of this contradiction to further push an anti-imperialist agenda in the US.

Also, I would like to add that I am not American. I am Brazilian, and I learned the consequences of American imperialism since I was little.

[-] AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 day ago

But Sanders has been talking in this manner for years. He participates in rhetoric that only has invasions and bombings as its natural conclusion, but when the great beast starts heaving to start killing people in earnest, he calls foul. This isn't anti-war, it's pro-war machine with anti-war aesthetics.

This also means that to the extent that they haven't evolved beyond him, his audience are turn into a multitude supporting western/Usian foreign policy 99% of the way to hot conflict and getting cold feet there.

[-] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 day ago

I'm sorry for using accusing language toward you, specifically. Maybe I don't know what words to use.

I meant it toward all the people who keep telling me that the US is going to get fixed on this next vote or that. All the people I knew who got very excited about this guy "bringing socialism" to the US, but couldn't apply a ML framework to see if his politics passed that test. Getting betrayed, and writing endless apologia, "I'm going to start voting for my postal carrier now #grassroots #revolution", while refusing to acknowledge the revolution vs. reform question, getting hyped and betrayed again, supporting the worst people, worst policies, most dead end bullshit. And all just to see this living miracle of the Amerikkkan "left" arm, fund and cover up a genocide that tortures my soul every day.

[-] burlemarx@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Yes, it is tiring. US electoral system is structured in such a way that it is very hard to get another party elected. And by system, I also include the mainstream media and social media which also is a big barrier to socialist propaganda and agitation. I'd say even a reformist agenda is very unlikely to even get chairs in congress, let alone a revolutionary agenda.

I think the biggest impact socialist tactics in US can do right now, considering the current situation, is organizing mass protests and sabotage efforts against the empire, along with worker organization. We need to make workers understand that no politician will ever save them, they have to do it themselves.

[-] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Real revolutionary agendas don't run for office lenin shotgun

at the risk of fedposting: I do agree with those tactics being necessary to take pressure off of the rest of the world. Seeing spy taxis on fire seemed hopeful, but the no kings thing was a pathetic politically themed daycare that diffused a lot of political energy. Incredible how often that trick work.

this post was submitted on 18 Jun 2025
24 points (87.5% liked)

World News

2650 readers
153 users here now

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS