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Before going to a protest, demonstrators or observers should note that their cellphones may subject them to surveillance tactics by law enforcement. If your cellphone is on and unsecured, your location can be tracked and your unencrypted communications, such as SMS, may be intercepted. Additionally, police may retrieve your messages and the content of your phone if they take custody of your phone, or later by warrant or subpoena.

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[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 109 points 1 week ago
[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago

thats my plan. im not taking wallet or keys or anything. just a transit card.

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Having an ID can help if you do get arrested. But that's about all I carry.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Why do you need an ID? Leave it in your car if you're driving.

I don't think there's a single state that requires you to actually carry documentation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes

These are the states that require you to at least verbally state your name, and only if the officer has reasonable suspicion that you have or will commit a crime.

They can ask your name. You may not have to answer.

Research your state's law on this before you go. It's in the link.

[-] match@pawb.social 9 points 1 week ago

lookit mr can't-get-disappeared-by-ICE over here

[-] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Regardless of the law, you can be detained by law enforcement if you cannot prove who you say you are until you can prove it.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago

If law enforcement was following the law I would not be protesting.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

They’re detaining people with Real IDs for hours at a time. It likely makes no difference.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 1 week ago

When they've got a cell full of detainees and they're deciding who ICE is going to ship to "advanced processing" who do you think goes to the front of that line? I'm guessing it's the "undocumented," regardless of whatever laws you're focused on.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Well also just the brown ones.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 week ago

There's legal requirements, then there's practical dealings with officers in the field. Seems to me that these days if you're "undocumented" you're asking to be sent to processing which can be a quick trip to a center somewhere across the country, if that's the mood they're in. After you get out you can try to sue them, maybe even win, but how long before you collect your damages?

[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

This. You've got to ask yourself, what your goal when interacting with law enforcement is. It it your goal to stand up for every right? Or do you want to get away for the interaction as easy as possible?

Let me give you an example of what I mean. I Denmark police can stop and ID you without a cause. You don't have to provide an ID, but you have to state your name, address, and birthday. If you don't, then you'll be arrested. Our SSNs consists of birthday and a checksum. You're not required to state your SSN checksum, but if you do state it, the police will have to pay you if the stop is longer than 10min.

So giving the police a little more than they're entitled to, can get you out of the interaction a lot easier.

Of course you can stand up for your rights, and if you want to fight, then do it. But it will make your day harder.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago

Also bring an ID and some cash. E.g. to buy some snacks/meal/water if the day goes longer than you planned for.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago

And take a burner phone if you must absolutely bring one.

[-] anzo@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago
[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 0 points 1 week ago
[-] anzo@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah. And, leave the other at home. Somehow, that mutual exclusivity between devices made me write "or". Hehe.

[-] moonlight@fedia.io 0 points 1 week ago

What's wrong with a grapheneOS device on airplane mode? Is firmware level tracking a confirmed thing?

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago
[-] moonlight@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago

So it should be safe in airplane mode, no? If I can trust my device, that is.

[-] noobface@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Baseband protocols may stay active dependent on your phone and your apps can still capture gps for upload later. Best bet is a burner.

https://ssd.eff.org/module/attending-protest

[-] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Stingray been in use widely since the 90s. LEOs have much better access and tech now. Pinpoint down to which room in a multi level hotel.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

They may confiscate your phone and record all data on it.

If it's a fresh wipe with a good passcode, and you keep it on airplane mode, you're probably fine.

[-] match@pawb.social 4 points 1 week ago

Set up a duress PIN on your graphene phone

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Literally clicked to comment this

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