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[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There's a book on the subject written by Srdja Popovic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueprint_for_Revolution

Summary: protests that start (and try to remain) non-violent have a greater chance to succeed, because they can attract more people to their cause.

Critique: with some regimes, it's not possible to non-violently protest. For non-violent protest to work, the environment must respect a minimum amount of human rights.

Case samples:

  • US during the civil rights movement era: yes
  • USSR under Gorbachev: yes
  • Serbia under Milosevic: yes, with difficulty on every step (Popovic was there doing it)
  • Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes
  • China under Xi: practically no (not for long)
  • USSR under Kruschev/Brezhnev/Andropov/Chernenko: not really
  • Russia under Putin: no, don't even hold a blank sheet of paper
  • Iran under Khamenei: only if you're doing a bread riot
  • Saudi Arabia, USSR under Stalin, NK under the Kim dynasty: no, and execution would be a possible outcome

...etc. In some places, you can't organize. Then your only option is to fight. As long as you can publicly organize, definitely do so - it's vastly preferable. :)

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago

Tankies are going to hate this comment.

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

Tankies are going to hate this comment.

They already are. :) I didn't quite expect this effect, but I welcome it. :)

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

Crazy how triggered (and retarded) they are. Even got one who, rather than admitting he was wrong, doubled down arguing that the GDR was a USSR member state. For some reason that was important to his "argument".

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago
[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago
[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com -1 points 1 week ago

For hell's sake have you ever seen the entire video from which the picture was extracted? The guy literally stopped the tanks, had a chat with them, and walked away unharmed.

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago

And like clockwork, here they come crawling out of the woodworks ...

[-] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Oh no, the evil tankies are here to give facts against my CIA-manufactured sinophobic propaganda :("

Please, answer: have you ever watched the entire thing?

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Have you ever watched this, tankboy?

https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs

I especially liked the bit about using tanks to make human pie, and then flushing the pie down the drains.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

thanks CIA, your cringe BS is still cringe.
Guess that's all you have, certainly not arguments

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So let me get this clear: your position is that I am CIA and that the Tiananmen square massacre did not happen?

Is that correct, or am I missing something? Feel free to use "arguments" to explain yourself.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

you are missing a lot, brains mostly.
Also not interested in low level basic about the irrelevant tinyman square noise so bye.

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago

you are missing a lot, brains mostly.

Hey bloemkool, in the English language, people typically only have one brain. I'm not a zombie, so I have no need for multiple brains. So do you have anything else besides ad hominems?

Also not interested in low level basic about the irrelevant tinyman square noise so bye.

I just asked two simple yes/no questions. It is telling that you are refusing to answer.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I said not interested.
And the other answers: "out-of-context, manipulative, anticommunist, CIA-sponsored atrocity propaganda" shows people know what you're doing.
So calling you out on it is not an ad hominem since YOU did it.
And you're the one using cheap obvious fallacies here like putting words in my mouth "the Tiananmen square massacre did not happen"
That CIA orchestrated failed attempt at destabilisation maybe was a massacre.
Seen pictures of many dead bicycles.
Unfortunately also from the lynched police from the rioters who infiltrated the protest.
One of the many things that OC was hidden in our oh so free and objective democratic western press.
I bet you haven't got a clue the protest was about.
So before I get bored of toying with you, have you something of value and relevant to ad or only more platitudes?

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So calling you out on it is not an ad hominem since YOU did it.

No, you said I was lacking brains (sic). That is an ad hominem.

And the other answers: “out-of-context, manipulative, anticommunist, CIA-sponsored atrocity propaganda” shows people know what you’re doing.

You know you are in an echo chamber right?

So before I get bored of toying with you

Oh honey 😂

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

You, digging up an irrelevant non-event from half a century ago, a fixation of the rabid anti-communist US imperialist propaganda machine shows who is in an echo chamber.
Imagine choosing a user name like that. LOL How fanatic must you be?

And so you have nothing meaningful to offer as I expected.
Better luck somewhere else, bye

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago

You, digging up an irrelevant non-event from half a century ago, a fixation of the rabid anti-communist US imperialist propaganda machine shows who is in an echo chamber.

You're the one who got fixated on it sweetheart. I just showed you an image of a lego figurine and offff you went. You guys are so easy to trigger. 😂

And so you have nothing meaningful to offer as I expected.

Says the twerp who is afraid to even answer a simple yes/no question about this so called "irrelevant non-event" from half a century ago.

You're like the holocaust denier or flat-earther who is afraid to answer the obvious question because they know they will be ridiculed and deep down they know they're wrong and have no arguments to defend themselves.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

jeez clown are you still here? not reading your BS, just blocking your annoying nonsense. You're like some biblethumper

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

Oh really, someone is being annoying to you? Oh noes!

BTW, you don't have to announce it when you block someone.

You’re like some biblethumper

Your lack of self awareness is staggering.

[-] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes

When Palestinians protest peacefully they get shot at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests

When foreigners peacefully protest in solidarity they get shot or run over.

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/30/1241231447/rachel-corrie-gaza-palestinians-aid-israel-hamas-war

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

LOL complete BS

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

US during the civil rights movement era: yes

USSR under Gorbachev: yes

Serbia under Milosevic: yes, with difficulty on every step (Popovic was there doing it)

Imaginary history.

Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes

They murdered hundreds of palestinians during peaceful protests. GTFO with this BS.

USSR under Kruschev/Brezhnev/Andropov/Chernenko: not really

Russia under Putin: no, don’t even hold a blank sheet of paper

Iran under Khamenei: only if you’re doing a bread riot

Saudi Arabia, USSR under Stalin, NK under the Kim dynasty: no, and execution would be a possible outcome

How many times can you list russia/ussr? Give me a break with this lib imperialism.

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

How many times can you list russia/ussr? Give me a break with this lib imperialism.

I may list it as many times as I need. I was born there and grew up there, and have a whole lot of information about how life was.

[-] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Not sure you should include Gorbachev since he illegally dissolved the USSR against the will of the people.

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

Yes, the USSR, famous for respecting the will of the people ...

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The end of East Germany was crazy precisely because it was so peaceful. A number of popular outcries in the late 80s instigated civil reforms. And then one of the defense ministers was asked on national TV in '89 "hey, does this mean we don't need the Berlin Wall anymore". He shrugged and confessed it was no longer needed. And the military took that as a signal to step aside and let the wall get torn down.

In less than six months, the country was holding free elections. And by the following year, they'd reunified.

No shots fired. A purely popular and peaceful revolution that happened practically overnight, by historical standards.

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

Excuse me, I have a question. Who was the leader of the USSR when this happened?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Gorbachev.

However, its the GDR Communist Chairman Erich Honecker that ultimately changed policy that resulted in reunification.

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

Gorbachev

Ah Schrödinger's Gorbachev, both a great respector of the will of the people, as well a traitor who went against the will of the people.

However, its the GDR Communist Chairman Erich Honecker that ultimately changed policy that resulted in reunification.

Then why did you comment on a post that was about the USSR?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Ah Schrödinger’s Gorbachev, both a great respector of the will of the people, as well a traitor who went against the will of the people.

What? Do you believe everyone in a country has identical political views?

That's a very naive understanding of popular politics.

Then why did you comment on a post that was about the USSR?

The GDR was a member of the USSR.

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago

What? Do you believe everyone in a country has identical political views?

You're a bit dim aren't you? The parent post that I replied to claimed that Gorbachev was a traitor who went against the will of the people, I said the USSR wasn't wel known for respecting the will of the people in the first place, and here you are giving an example of when the USSR actually did respect the will of the people ... when Gorbachev was in power.

So my conclusion is that Gorbachev must exist in a state of superposition, where he is both things at once.

The GDR was a member of the USSR.

What does the G in GDR stand for?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I said the USSR wasn’t wel known for respecting the will of the people in the first place

The GDR was a member state of the USSR. And the dissolution of the GDR happened under Gorbachev, in a manner that did respect the public's rights.

At the same time, Gorbachev's dismantling of the USSR came in direct opposition to his communist peers, to the point where he was couped by his military leadership in an attempt to stop him.

So my conclusion is that Gorbachev must exist in a state of superposition

I know you're attempting wit, but its coming at the expense of your expressed understanding of history.

Gorbachev did, in fact, manager to govern in such a manner that he pissed off just about everyone - the Yeltsin reformists on his right flank (who froze him out of office after he survived the coup) and the Communists on his left flank (who joined him in the dust bin of history after Yeltsin sold the country off piecemeal).

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

The GDR was a member state of the USSR. And the dissolution of the GDR happened under Gorbachev, in a manner that did respect the public’s rights.

The GDR is the German Democratic Republic, also known as East Germany.

It was a communist country, a member of the Warsaw pact, and aligned with the USSR, but it was not a member state of the USSR.

See also: Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Albania, Bulgaria.

its coming at the expense of your expressed understanding of history

See above.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Srdja Popovic

LOL
https://inthesetimes.com/article/wikileaks-docs-expose-famed-serbian-activists-ties-to-shadow-cia

Telling you have the name perestroika, by the hated traitor Gorbachev putting them in misery while corrupt oligarchs from the west leeched on Russia.

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