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[-] scott@lemmy.org 13 points 1 month ago

Or you could fire your boss and form a worker cooperative run on consensus based decision making. Worker cooperatives succeed more than "traditional" businesses and have higher pay for their workers^1, despite being at a systemic disadvantage for seed capital. You don't need an ai to boss you around, you and your coworkers can make collective decisions without any boss to speak of.

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago
[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Ok I've had it. After decades I'm finally going to watch this.

[-] pdxfed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 month ago

Come see the violence inherent in the system!

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Did you see him repressing me?

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I wonder if that's an enough efficient system, I'd love it to be, and it's maybe more efficient than the "C-suite" system just because of the cost savings not having C people salaries.

Worth a try.

I'm up, C/C++ senior dev :-)

[-] Nephalis@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

Are there any articles about examples? I only know about aftermath.site but ha e no clue if it is sccessful or not.

[-] skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Find any video on YouTube about Mondragon in Spain. This is a good one from Dutch broadcaster vpro. It’s like the 9th largest organization in Spain, highly successful in other words. The Marxian economics Professor Richard Wolff gave a ‘Talk at Google’ years ago that is in part about Mondragon. He discusses Mondragon in much of his work in fact.

There is also some academic work that shows that worker coops are more resilient during recessions and, for example, the global financial crisis. Here’s a DW (German) minidoc discussing that fact https://youtu.be/zaJ1hfVPUe8

[-] mgnome@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago

Farmers in New Zealand are organized into cooperative, probably the biggest and most successful cooperative there is, and there's almost zero subsidizing from state for them.

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Here's a list of a few coops: https://canadianworker.coop/join/members/

The list includes federations of other workers coops, like the Federation of EMT coops: https://fcpq.coop/

[-] nouben@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

French glass maker Duralex saved all jobs with workers coop: https://thebetter.news/duralex-cooperative/

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've often thought that worker cooperative call centres should be a thing. The people who manage call centres barely understand the contract because inevitably they higher management from outside of the company, since no one on the phones could possibly be management material.

It would probably make quite a lot of money because one of the biggest complaints that companies have about their third party call centres is inefficiencies. Even if the bosses wanted to fix the inefficiencies they can't because they don't understand the contract at a base enough level. In a workers cooperative that wouldn't be an issue since the workers would understand the contract.

Unfortunately it probably would face the issue that all new starts in the industry make, in that most businesses are locked into multi-year contracts with their call centre providers and can't just swap to a new provider whenever they want. So you'd have to time its startup very precisely as a big company came to the end of its contract, or you'd probably have to get some clients on board before you even started.

[-] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

I do wonder about just using an ai ceo as a sock puppet to seem more inviting to a ceo heavy world would be worth it, like they get really popular you could replace the model with new that takes notes of everything then relays it back to a co op board

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

It's my fervent prayer that AI ends up enabling smaller teams of enthusiastic individuals to actually be able to compete against megalithic corpos. I can absolutely imagine an AI contributing high level guidance to such a team for them to consider and ideate/iterate on before they adapt. It actually seems to me like one of the more plausible activities for an AI agent.

[-] TachyonTele@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago

That's an interesting idea. Do you think LLMs could actually do that though?

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

It would sure be an interesting experiment! In my experience the chatbots are really good at providing a starting point for things. One almost always has to go take that and decide what needs improving and what can be acted upon, of course, and the team would still need to strategize for how to handle that oversight with an AI CEO.

[-] scott@lemmy.org 0 points 1 month ago

No. LLMs are terrible at decisions.

[-] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago

Sounds like they're already at management level!

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