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[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 68 points 1 year ago

The collective west does have a Nazi problem, it's acute in Ukraine.

Ukraine has been getting shelled for over 8 years now, it's been the Ukrainian government doing it, and that specifically has been what provoked the invasion.

It's just observable reality, idk what's so hard about remembering events from a few years ago for liberals

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Svoboda having one seat in the Rada kind of acute?

As far as general patriotism is concerned sure that's on an all-time high in Ukraine but guess what, that kind of stuff happens if you get invaded. Which started in 2014, don't forget that, and Ukraine has been under hybrid attack from Russia since at least 2000, the 90s being only a brief respite from centuries of colonialism and that only because Russia didn't know WTF it was doing.

The important part is the type of nationalism you see. And that's much closer to the likes of the SNP than to Nazis.

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

"general patriotism" I see swastikas, things that sub in for swastikas, iron crosses, and totenkopfs.

You can fuck right off with the "centuries of colonialism" that's literlly the west repackaging its own history to accuse others of.

I thought you guys were the ones who said that portions of a country can unilaterally vote to leave and its okay. That was what you lot pulled with Serbia, why does it suddenly no longer apply here?

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So the Bundeswehr is a Nazi org because it's using the iron cross as emblem?

You can fuck right off with the “centuries of colonialism” that’s literlly the west repackaging its own history to accuse others of.

So Russia suddenly isn't European? That would come as news to Europe.

That was what you lot pulled with Serbia, why does it suddenly no longer apply here?

I was a bit too young to have much of an opinion or impact there. In any case very much unlike Ukraine, Serbia actually was genociding people. "Get genocided by your central state, get independence" is more than fair if you ask me.

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was a bit too young to have much of an opinion or impact there. In any case very much unlike Ukraine, Serbia actually was genociding people. "Get genocided by your central state, get independence" is more than fair if you ask me.

The Ukrainian state has been killing civilians indiscriminately in its two breakaway regions, they were just doing it for much longer than it took for any kind of intervention in Serbia.

When the west starts to pretend to care about muslims, you know they're full of shit about any purported genocides. They went from pretending to care about Kosovar Albanians to murdering millions of muslims over the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

So the Bundeswehr is a Nazi org because it's using the iron cross as emblem?

It's pretty funny having iron crosses constantly showing up on all the UA vehicles- I think we all know what they're going for, they just left off a few lines.

So Russia suddenly isn't European? That would come as news to Europe.

Russia has not been a part of 'the west', certainly not as far as most of the EU is concerned unless you're trying to be intentionally obtuse

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Russia has not been a part of ‘the west’, certainly not as far as most of the EU is concerned unless you’re trying to be intentionally obtuse

It has been a colonial empire for quite a while now. Or do you really think this didn't happen with military force? That it's just the natural extent of the Russian nation? Or that the Empire didn't brutally exploit every new territory they conquered? "Colony" doesn't mean "overseas".

Every single larger, or affluent, European country engaged in colonialism.

It’s pretty funny having iron crosses constantly showing up on all the UA vehicles

That's the Cossack cross. The Cossacks got it from the Templars, same root as the Iron Cross.

The Ukrainian state has been killing civilians indiscriminately in its two breakaway regions

Отъебись ватник блядь.

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Were the Russians also doing chattel slavery like the west was for literally hundreds of years? Like sure conditions for serfs weren't great, but the transatlantic slave trade, the mass genocide of the americas, the subjugation of africa, india and china built the wealth of europe. You're trying to act like these two things are the same and they're not

Отъебись ватник блядь.

lmao

seriously though:

The Ukrainian state has been killing civilians indiscriminately in its two breakaway regions

Where's the lie? You guys think that's a good thing. Link to more info

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