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[-] nemo@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago

Windows 10 is no longer receiving security updates

Not all machines that ran W10 are capable of running W11

W11 is full of AI integration, always-on data collection, and other no-sell bloatware

Linux is easier to use than ever and free

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Windows 10 is no longer receiving security updates

I thought it was until October?

W11 is full of AI integration, always-on data collection, and other no-sell bloatware

Windows 10 is the exact same BS, but 10% less in your face AI. Have people really been frog boiled this badly?

[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Much of that dubious functionality can be turned off in Win10. Not so in AI heavy Win11

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 month ago

Linux is free? I think you need to have a talk with the folks over at IBM about RHEL or the folks over at EQT about SLES

[-] TheRedSpade@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Even the companies behind paid distros tend to release free versions. What they're really charging for is support.

[-] anothermember@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago

Free as in freedom. But also free as in cost for most PC use cases. Red Hat and SUSE are mostly selling enterprise services.

[-] SolidShake@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago

Well this ain't true lmao. Win 11 is almost the same as 10. I have 0 "ai integration" on my PC. I don't even have cloud files on one drive. And the most "bloatware" are just windows apps like calendar or contacts etc which can just be uninstalled.

Linux is also not easier to use than ever, you still need to Google every day basic functions like installing programs etc and you still have to learn terminal commands. Like cool you feel that way about windows I guess but you're spreading misinformation

[-] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And the most “bloatware” are just windows apps

The Windows 11 Pro edition at my work had an entry for Whatsapp in the start menu after a fresh install....

This "Pro" edition had a popup ad for one of Microsoft's games pushed as a notification. Literally a popup ad for a game coming from the Professional edition of Windows. Something my company paid extra for.

I have 0 “ai integration” on my PC.

I'm constantly playing wack-a-mole with Copilot. It's even in Notepad by default..........


Yeah, there is a reason my home PCs are all Linux Mint.

[-] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Windows 11 Pro edition at my work had an entry for Whatsapp in the start menu after a fresh install…

That's just a stub, an "ad". Whatsapp isn't installed. You can just right click and delete that shortcut.

I’m constantly playing wack-a-mole with Copilot.

Why do you not want copilot to even exist on your computer?

[-] SolidShake@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Idk why you have those issues. I disable copilot. I disable all taskbar add-ons, I disable and remove all notifications on the bottom right corner. I disable one drive. I have received 0 pop up ads for the entirety of windows 11 at home and at my full-time job. My wife's computer is the same way as mine and she knows way less about to do anything but open steam and play some games.

[-] Artisian@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Needing to go through and disable all the stuff sounds like managing bloat to me, no?

I'm personally angry that we have ads on the default minesweeper and solitaire. Gross

[-] SolidShake@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

No. These are options you select when first installing windows.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

There is no way to install windows fresh, have all of those items disabled, and have all of the bloat uninstalled without creating a custom image.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

The problem is that Microsoft doesn't honor your wishes. There is no button you can click that says, "opt me out of all AI and cloud data features." You can disable apps, buttons, and tracking today, but there will be new ones out tomorrow. And there may be a period of weeks or months of them sucking your data up before you figure out what they're tracking and how to shut it down.

[-] Feyd@programming.dev -1 points 1 month ago

Like cool you feel that way about windows I guess but you’re spreading misinformation

[-] missingno@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago

The first time you try Linux, you will have to take a little time to learn something that is new and unfamiliar to you. But this was true of the first time you tried Windows too.

The point is that it really isn't hard to learn, and today it absolutely is easier than ever.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

You may have disabled copilot, but it installed and integrated into the Win 11 operating system. It takes 1 update to re-enable it without your consent. If there weren't precedent, that wouldn't really be a valid argument, but it wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

Linux Mint is easier to use out of the box than any version of Windows. It is 100% usable without typing a single terminal command. If you learn apt-get, it extends functionality and is basically 1 command, which again, is optional.

To install applications it's as simple as opening Software Manager, selecting the app, and installing. The app store is better than whatever windows has installed by a country mile.

On a fresh install it has a full libre office suite, all of the basic apps like calculator, and many others. If you don't want that, it can be prevented at installation.

It is inherently more secure, and updates won't revert settings or install malware like Windows updates.

Major version updates will always support old hardware. There will never be a situation like Windows 11 not supporting older hardware.

The only thing the Windows has over Linux is proprietary apps for a lot of products. For the average and most above average users, that's irrelevant. There are options for most fields but not all. For most people, life exists in a web browser, and that works better on Linux.

[-] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 1 month ago

Linux Mint is easier to use out of the box than any version of Windows.

How so? Definitely isn't if you have an Nvidia GPU.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Actually, it is. Anecdotally, I've never had an issue with my Nvidia card playing any games. Nvidia is certainly not as good as AMD, but it's not as bad as the memes make it seem. In the past year they've worked more with Linux developers to provide better drivers. Not perfect, but it's at least stable.

Installing the Nvidia drivers on Linux isn't anymore difficult than it is on Windows.

If you haven't used Linux within the last at couple of two years, then your experience is outdated and not relevant. There have been huge QoL improvements over that time.

[-] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 month ago

Is it as good as Windows is with nvidia gpus out of the box? No.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I believe so, yes. For the vast majority of people, it will be seamless, same as with Windows.

[-] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 4 weeks ago

Nvidia gpu's actually work out of the box when you use them with windows.

[-] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 month ago

you still need to Google every day basic functions like installing programs etc

To be fair, I had to do that when I tried macOS for a while years back. That is just part of learning to use any new operating system. But after a while, once you understand the basics, you will no longer need to use a reference for the basics. Linux is no different in that regard.

you still have to learn terminal commands

The only time I use the terminal is for things that are just simpler to automate via a command line. Things that I would be using a command line to achieve if I were using Windows/macOS. The kinds of things that I do in Termux on Android.

[-] SolidShake@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Only time I use command for windows is when I have to format a drive that doesn't show up in disk management. On Linux I had to use terminal so much. And not to mention the god awful support for gpus. My latest headache was only one display of two would work and the other would be back unless I did a mirror, or turn down my refresh rate to 60 (both are 180hz) Oh it made me so mad lol. I give Linux an honest try at least once a year but this year it just completely fucked up a separate hard drive that has windows. Idk what happened but I put bazzite on an isolated 1tb drive, and it completely deleted my windows boot loader. I had no choice but to reformat, lost everything. Not a huge deal to some but as a music producer it was a huge huge loss. (Now I am going to just run off external drives for thet)

[-] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

You absolutely didn't have to format your windows drive to fix the missing bootloader issue. That's like burning down your house because you lost your keys.

[-] SolidShake@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I tried for 3 days to fix it lol. Nothing worked. Even windows recovery didn't do anything

[-] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not to mention doesn't play nicely with GPUs made by the overwhelming market leader, nvidia.

[-] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 1 month ago

Linux Mint is exactly as easy to use as Windows, if not easier. In Windows you also needed to google every day basic functions, but I guess for you personally that was so long ago that you don't remember. On Windows you also need to use the terminal for some things, like removing some of their bloatware (xbox bullshit, for example).

There are some specific points I kind of agree with you about, but I don't agree with your general sentiment. Linux is easier to use than ever.

[-] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In Windows you also needed to google every day basic functions

You do? Like what?

On Windows you also need to use the terminal for some things, like removing some of their bloatware (xbox bullshit, for example).

Or you can just leave it and not use it, disable it, or delete it from the add or remove apps settings menu.

Why does something simply being there but not used bother you guys so much? I don't get it - especially when it's so easy to disable them through the menus they give you.

[-] Reference4054@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 month ago

Uh, he right though. If you think you have to use terminal and google for everything in Linux... that's just nonsense. Lol

I made the change a couple years ago and Linux runs circles around Windows now and is pretty easy to use.

If you're happy with windows, use it. I'm not going to waste any brain cycles arguing against someone else's computer preference. But quit with the terminal and hard to use shit with Linux. That shit is about a decade outdated. I can't even think of the last time I have needed to use terminal.

[-] trinsec@piefed.social -1 points 1 month ago

Linux and Windows are probably just equally as difficult to use to the average user. Might as well go Linux with less obnoxious features like copilot and recall. My dad was a Windows user for many many years, but he still knew zilch about how to solve problems in Windows. The average user would need to google anyway, no matter which OS.

And with the right distro (Linux Mint for example) you would have zero interactions with the terminal. Everything's done via the GUI, just like Windows.

I've had to interact with weird things in Windows lately which I had to google up like 'open the run programs and type in srvcmngmt.msc' or whatever that was again. Something that apparently couldn't have been done via the GUI. Great job!

For the record I am still mainly a Windows user.

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