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Are EA billionaire philanthropists actually effective in their 'altruism'? (spoilers: no)
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this post was submitted on 13 Jul 2025
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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.
[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]
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it's a good thing charities don't distribute resources within societies or communal frameworks!
dear gods how does one type that with a straight face and not pass out from sheer intellectual exertion
Yeah. One thing I’ve realised since participating in Sneerclub is that when someone comes in thinking it’s debate club and 1. starts saying shit, and 2. you start coming up with counterarguments, and 3. you realise everything you come up with is just first order, basic stuff, then you have to remind yourself that this isn’t debate club, and that this person is stupid, and you don’t owe them intellectual energy.
In this case, in the broadest sense, politics is about getting a bunch of people to do something they might not initially agree with. Guess what a moral framework is designed to do?? Especially utilitarianism, which is literally just economics and accounting with a moral/ethical veneer. And that’s just first order shit!!! It’s not hard to go up the ladder from base theory to reality and come up with all kinds of examples and counterarguments or what have you. It’s just a waste of time with these people! They are either stupid or intentionally ignorant or both.
So yeah sometimes I’m ankle deep in drafting something offsite when I remember “it’s sneer club” and then I stop myself. You won’t convince these people, so just clown on them.
oh 100%. on the flipside of that, the advantage is that usually it's relatively easy to flip basic constructions into sneers. the combination of getting their arguments picked apart while being mocked usually causes the monocle to fall off the seal reeeal quick.
maybe there should be some kind of scoring system. perhaps a golf-like. par for three comments before they complain about your tone (sneering in a sneer club, my gods!), four for getting themselves banned. a bonus sticker in the shape of a star if "ad hominem" is typed verbatim
If we start doing Awful Gold^TM^ I will die a little inside