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Its a shame because they're prominent voice on lemmy. Good on the admins for not tolerating this. I don't understand the point of targeting a person you don't like on the internet just because they said something that upset you and spamming their post with downvotes. If you don't like someone block their ass and be done with it. I agree with the perspective that its harassment (and an incredibly petty ineffective form of it at that)

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[-] dastanktal@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Are you claiming that Hamas, systemically, as official policy, weaponized sexual violence on October 7th?

Because then, yeah, I think we'd have a problem.

Edit:

And it looks like you're referring to that brand-new study that was just put out by that Israeli think-tank in their best effort to try and change what the definition of sexual violence is in order to get Hamas Blacklisted? Yeah, I remember that study. It's already been specifically discredited by the UN and a number of NGOs.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

No, I'm saying Hamas committed sexual violence on Oct 7, I didn't realize that was un-fucking clear.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 3 points 1 week ago

Technically the UN report only said that people who invaded on October 7th committed widespread sexual violence. They stopped short of saying whether or not it was Hamas (since a lot of people who were not Hamas also took part in the invasion and there was no real way to know who it was that did any particular thing.)

[-] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Well, to play devil's advocate, we don't actually know if it was a Hamas. Witnesses are notoriously unreliable, There hasn't been any other corroborating evidence. In Rwanda and in Syria during those genocides, when those sexual assaults took place, we were able to track down individuals, where there was quite a lot less surveillance. Which is tracked by the UN.

Feels like random individual actors committed sexual violence, and then the Israeli government is blaming Hamas. Wouldn't be the first time since they accused Hamas of being ISIS while literally arming ISIS groups in Gaza to help commit a genocide

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

Well, to play devil’s advocate, we don’t actually know if it was a Hamas. Witnesses are notoriously unreliable, There hasn’t been any other corroborating evidence. In Rwanda and in Syria during those genocides, when those sexual assaults took place, we were able to track down individuals, where there was quite a lot less surveillance. Which is tracked by the UN.

Feels like random individual actors committed sexual violence, and then the Israeli government is blaming Hamas. Wouldn’t be the first time since they accused Hamas of being ISIS while literally arming ISIS groups in Gaza to help commit a genocide

Jesus fucking Christ.

[-] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

There's that famous response you're so well known for.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yes, horror at Nazis like you denying sexual assault verified by the UN.

[-] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

“To show that it was widespread and systematic, we would need a lot more evidence than has come to light to date and a lot more corroborative evidence than is being put out there,” says Madeleine Rees, general secretary of the Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/3/21/october-7-forensic-analysis-shows-hamas-abuses-many-false-israeli-claims

You know, for somebody who claims they read a lot, you sure need to read more.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Please, quote me saying systemic.

[-] dastanktal@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 week ago

Right, and I said prove to me that it's not an ISIS group.

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