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It's not a nice thing to have to embrace, but it's true. When Vera Papisova spent a year undercover dating right wing men, this was her takeaway, too. That part of the reason they get so radicalized is because rational people have a very hard time wanting to even try to see good things in them and socialize with them at all. Yet that isolation promotes exactly the radicalization we'd like to see less of in our society. Continually saying "no, fuck them" feels right but builds more and more echo chambers where these people are only talking to other highly toxic people in a spiral of enabling terrible thought-patterns.
It's extremely valid to feel like "why would I waste time on these monsters?" because they are indeed monstrous. Yet, we have to have a growth mindset and believe people can change, and not just believe that, but give them opportunities to change. Continuing to isolate them in right wing communities where the only viewpoints they are exposed to continue to radicalize them is not working. When they say "the liberals gave me no choice but to turn to the right" what they actually mean is no liberals or leftists would take the time to talk them down from their own idiocy, so they continued to lean into it out of pure spite, not reason. They like to call people on the left "snowflakes" but these people are so fucking broken and hurt inside and so deeply just want to be accepted that they will chop off their own limbs in an attempt to somehow teach us a lesson, as long as we get hurt, too. Desire for acceptance is literally what drove them into the MAGA Cult. They are broken and hurt because we did not accept them, despite the fact that they are too stupid to see how their own behavior is why they are not accepted.
I know many people here think the solution is to go whole hog and crack down harder on this than we did on the South during reconstruction. Unpopular opinion around here, but I disagree. I think that will create more young conservative people, because what they will see is a wide swath of people being vilified and potentially put to death by the state for their political views. They won't think "gosh those views were so dangerous they must be snuffed out" they will instead erroneously think "they must threaten the broken system that is hurting us to be snuffed out, therefore they must have had some positive ideas." We don't live in a system where people trust the decisions of government or of large groups in general. Putting them all to death (especially without trial) will just radicalize a whole generation of young people who will question why the things those people thought were so "dangerous." That doesn't mean there doesn't need to be consequences for being a part of this, there absolutely has to be, but the penchant for retributive violence on the left is going to harm things more than it will help things, in my personal opinion. It's like the US War on Terrorism. Did killing people indiscriminately win hearts and minds of the Iraqi people or did it radicalize a whole generation against the US? Because I am pretty damn sure it was the latter.
Well said, Humans are social creatures, everyone wants to feel accepted and like they matter in their community. When you aren't getting that, you get extremism.
Like seriously, I despise the right, especially the people using it to influence and gain power knowing they dont believe their own bullshit they're spewing. But we have to extend these people olive branches and try meet them somewhere or they will just go farther into their echo chambers. I've had a hard time putting that into words here on lemmy and its been frustrating bcz the sentiment around here is 'the only good nazi isna dead nazi', and then every MAGA person is lumped in that group (and for the record anybody reading this, I agree with the sentiment). But these MAGA followers aren't the nazis, the leaders are, and the people in government. These are people who have been duped just like the rest of us. And we've all somehow bought it hook line and sink. This isn't just fascism, its class warfare, and the billionaires are winning right now all around the world.
Thank you. Hatred, while understandable here, is not the answer. It'll only push "defectors" to more extreme corners.
If you want more people to join progressive sides, you can't ostracize them further. Show them that hatred doesn't solve anything. Fighting hatred with hatred is pointless.
It's also a distraction. The rich class wants the people to be divided. Being like "no you can never join our side" will do exactly that.
This actually sums up pretty nicely the rant that Anand has in this piece. Your war on terrorism analogy is absolutely perfect in this situation as well.
Cory Doctorow just published a piece MAGA crackup
We will explain in great detail why we suppressed the right, because they were legitimatly repugnant. Notice now no one really objects to denaziification or reconstruction on retrospect? Only really that they didn't go far enough. We will show them the kids im.cages, CECOT, etc.