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[-] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Good critique against socdem politics but ultimately they need to lay down a solution ie maybe find who is most revolutionary potential within the UK population and build a socialist mass movement from that with an understanding of scientific socialism.

Having said that, "at least they are trying" is not a valid rebuttal against criticism of socdem politics when what they have been "trying" has failed for decades. There is no theory of political change here outside of bourgoisie electoral politics and not once have they outlined what they are going to do meaningfully different this time. "Creating space" is also further idealist nonsense.

Western marxism is a disease. We are in an ML space and there is still a significant amount of reaction in lemmygrad ("Kautskism", "ludditism" and orientalism just to name a few, and more the comments than the posts). There are capitalist countries where people have a lot less resources and they do a way better job of organising; the difference is they are in the Global South so maybe that tells us something here.

Maybe the material conditions still have not reached critical mass here. One will need to do a statistical deep dive and derive revolutionary pragmatism from that data. I'm so disillusioned by westerners that I am not sure I care at this stage (the latter of which I realise really isn't a marxist attitude).

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