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What is Lemmy's problem with AI?
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First, mobile phones were extremely common in 2005 (20 years ago), even I had one, and I was literally a child.
Second, and this is the part I'm actually curious about: I wonder if there were people in the 80s and 90s (when mobile phones were actually rare, but becoming more common) who felt the same pure, visceral disgust for them that I feel for LLMs. I sort of suspect not, but I could be wrong, and I'd be curious to read anti-cell phone writing from that era, to see what people were worried about and whether those worries are in any way the same as the current worries I (and many others) have about LLMs.
My mistake, I meant modern smartphones.
Disgust no, but it was something for people in business, so non-business people could be ridiculed. Also consider that the equivalent of social media was the pub at the corner so those who may have had a “visceral disgust” didn’t have a chance to find others with their extreme vision. People were more moderate on average without the modern internet bubbles in which any crazy idea finds a club of supporters.
So you think that the lack of disgust over cell phones (or smartphones, I'm happy to talk about them instead, since that's what you meant) had more to do with the lack of social media than anything inherent in the technology. I don't know that I agree, really. It's possible, I suppose, but I don't really use social media now (except posting on Hexbear), and I would say my disgust with LLMs has more to do with my understanding of the mathematics behind them and my experiences using them, rather than listening to what other people are saying about them.
I think that today some people live in an internet bubble reinforcing each other’s ideas without anyone saying “maybe you are exaggerating”. It’s true in general, not just for AI. When I talk with RL friends who are not such “internet nerds” as me, their views are much less black and white than mine… and I’m not remotely as black and white as some people here.
Back in topic, would you be that negative if AI’s issues were addressed and solved? Because they will be addressed and solved. It’s a basic business need to minimise costs (energy, water) and solve legal disputes (copyright).
The issues with LLMs will never be solved. The environmental damage and copyright issues will persist as long as capitalism does. And those aren't even my main issues. These fucking things are marketed as thinking machines that can reason and help people work through problems, but they are fundamentally incapable of that. They hallucinate and spout nonsense and it's not a matter of "oh, just train them better, they'll eventually be worth using", there are fundamental mathematical reasons that these things spout so much nonsense, and no amount of high quality training data will ever fix it.
If you say so.