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I'm not saying Trump's not a terrible misogynist. He has a record of countless things I'd need to put a CW for. That's not what I'm saying.
What I am saying is that we have very explicit context for a contrary interpretation in this case, because him being a terrible misogynist does not logically validate that every single thing he says must have been intended according to the most misogynistic interpretation, in the presence of competing evidence.
ps you said "etc" instead of "and so on"
It isn't contrary! I explained it with a meme reference but 'hot off the shelves' and sexy hot are closely related in meaning and overlap significantly. Sexy commercials for products unrelated to sex don't make sense in a context where popularity and marketability is alienated from sexual desires. And Trump is marinated in marketing culture, he lives to make himself and his supporters "hot" in both meanings
It was a very accurate representation of Zizek, because it was more oriented toward sounding clever than advancing understanding. Your argument is just not philologically sound, because his intended meaning (whatever cute literary criticism you can offer about freudian slips) still was not about sexual attractiveness but brand value. He wasn't saying people want to fuck Tulsi Gabbard, he wasn't saying people want to fuck America, and he's using the same parlance here.
you're so tied up on statements having exclusive meaning, it is not a 'slip', he intentionally links popularity to sexual desire. And yes, he absolutely means people want to fuck Gabbard, himself and his supporters as proxies for 'America'.
you aren't going to appreciate how sexually charged fascist anxieties are if you analyze their language in such a stiff definitional way. He could have chosen different language to arrive at your sterile meanings.