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[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

Imagine instead of complete surrender the confederacy retreated and held Texas, and China was selling them advanced weaponry. That’s what this is

[-] rubpoll@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

This is like if the Confederacy retreated to Catalina Island, massacred everyone there, and continued calling itself the rightful government of the entire continent afterward.

[-] randint@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

This is not like that. The ROC government did not "massacre everyone there." It did call itself the rightful government of the entire China for several decades, but it has since then moved on.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

It's constitution has not even been amended to not include Mongolia, let alone mainland China.

And the KMT did do a number on the indigenous Formosan population.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

To say nothing of the 40 years White Terror

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Man, these days you know a hexbear without even looking at the user.

I mean this is complete baloney! You are also using the comparison to establish some kind of “evil slavers vs democracy” narrative that wasn’t in place at all in China during the warlord era. They were all equally horrid.

This is, at best, akin to a war between all states in the US after the Boston Tea Party and a communist state, let’s just pick Arizona, slowly winning the wars and forcing the remaining faction onto Hawaii. Then the socialist party forced anyone who could read, more or less, to work themselves to death in a field in the name of communism. Glory to the people!!!

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

jesus christ read at least one book about the history of the conflict you're describing before you confidently spout nonsense.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

I agree my characterisation is far off the mark. But the poster I responded to wasn’t even in the same galaxy, so I still considered it an improvement.

Also, I’m not Jesus Christ 🤪

[-] Grimble@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

Do they make redditors in a factory or something

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[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So you acknowledge the fact that you don't know shit about the topic you're spouting off on but you still just assume you know better??

[-] randint@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

They did not say that they don't know shit about the topic, not even close. They simply said their characterization is far off the marks. That means that their understanding of the conflict is far from perfect, but they absolutely do know shit about it.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They didn't say they were wrong

They just said they were far off the mark

That means their understanding is far from perfect

They absolutely do know their shit

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[-] ToastyMedic@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

Well, not quite. It's more akin to if the union was pushed back and was limited to new-england.

The PRC is the confederate equivalent, as they weren't the original legal government unlike Taiwan, which legally is the heir of the ROC.

Also one of these states is an authoritarian piece of shit, and it's definitely not Taiwan.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

The PRC is the confederate equivalent, as they weren't the original legal government unlike Taiwan, which legally is the heir of the ROC.

The left wing of the KMT split from Chiang's KMT in 1948 to form the Revolutionary Committee of the KMT. It was headed by a senior KMT General and Song Ching Ling the widow of Sun Yat Sen. Madam Song would later serve as a Vice President of the People's Republic of China and the Revolutionary Committee of the KMT holds seats in the National People's Congress to this day.

If you even look at the history of the KMT, you'd see that it's incredibly prone to factionalism, including a period during the First United Front where the CPC agreed to join the KMT as a wing to fight the Warlords but left after the KMT stabbed it in the back during the Shanghai Purges.

Legally, the PRC is recognized by the UN as the sole representative of China under General Assembly Resolution 2758 and the overwhelming majority of the world's nation's recognize that there is only one China and that China is the PRC.

Cope and seethe.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The PRC is the confederate equivalent, as they weren’t the original legal government unlike Taiwan, which legally is the heir of the ROC.

Going by paper legality argument, ROC is also illegal because it wrested power from Qing. Which conquered China from Ming, which toppled Yuan, and going fast forward to Han, Qing, Zhao and Shang, neither of them also risen peacefully.

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[-] KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

one of these states is an authoritarian piece of shit, and it's definitely not Taiwan.

Tell that to the indigenous people of Taiwan. I bet they'd love to hear about how they genocide was "non-authoritarian".

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

40-ish years of military dictatorship, but they made a 228 park so it's okay

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