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History shows that if the Dems regain full control, they will not reverse all this carnage 100%. They will reverse maybe 25% of it and pretend the rest isn't happening and maybe claim they don't have enough control and we'll hear the term bipartisan.
That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore. When they DO have some ability to improve things, they barely do. Biden proved to be exactly the slow-moving watered-down change I expected.
Fuck em all. And fuck you when you tell me how wrong I am. I really don't give a fuck.
Put up serious change on the ticket or I'll just roll my eyes again.
I was with you in the first half, until you said you don't vote. You're as much to blame for this shit as anyone
The top part is true, but reversing 25% is something and it's not a constant flow of more carnage. If you don't give a fuck, then you are basically pro carnage since you are doing nothing to stop it, but fuck me right?
Also you can vote for who Dems up on the ticket in the primary. New York voters showed the rest of the country that it's possible.
Just for the sake of discussion, I think there's a real argument to be made that reversing 25% is actually worse than doing nothing, because it makes people complacent. "Controlled opposition", if you will.
I'm not saying that's necessarily always the case, there are obviously tangible benefits to reducing some of the damage. But if it comes with allowing even more damage to be done later, because the changes are superficial and don't address the ways in which the right extremists can manipulate the political system, then people might be fooled into thinking the system still works and the long run consequences would be even more severe than if they realised it doesn't.
And if you fully realise that the political system doesn't work then I don't think it entirely makes sense to get on someone's case about voting or not. Not that they shouldn't, but there are much bigger issues.
Ah yeah that's why not voting is gonna help. Doing less instead of more, good idea pal ๐
That's not what I said, why bother replying if you didn't read my comment?
That's literally the first thing you said. Everything else you've said is just doomer shit or that you should leave but also you aren't? So you are advocating for what exactly???? ๐ค
I'm not that person, check the usernames.
My only point is I think there's actually better stuff to focus on than whether people voted or not. I think it's probably on the whole better to vote for the democrats than not vote. But I think there are good faith arguments against it and what really matters is more active ways of fighting fascism.
Oops that's my bad, I'm sorry.
So, I agree with you that we need to do more, especially now, but that also includes voting too. Voting is bare minimum, if people can't vote, I can't see them doing much else.
If they can do other more impactful things without voting then I'm all for it, but voting itself does not take away from doing more.
Like for example, New Yorkers voting for Mamdani in this upcoming election is great, especially because it shows the nation that as a whole we can swing the total opposite direction.
No worries, it happens.
Yeah, I basically agree with your first paragraph, but the point I was trying to make is that I do see people doing much else. I do know people who reject voting but spend a lot of time and energy doing organising and activism. Whether or not that applies to the other poster on this thread, I feel it's better not to overly shame people for not having voted. Life sucks and people rationalise the dumb stuff they do in all sorts of crazy ways. I'd prefer to talk about something more positive.
Mamdani seems cool. It's nice to see someone win on a straight affordability campaign without openly throwing marginalised people under the bus. Of course, it's NY. But it shows it's something we could unite around.
Hoky shit, way to prove to that person (and the rest of us) that you really didn't read all of their post... The last statement makes it obvious they're espousing an entirely different angle.
Theres a fire in my kitchen, but the fire extinguisher is only going to stop like 25% of the damage, so I'm committed to not stopping the fire.
To be clear, I also don't support the fire. But the fire extinguisher is:
So the best thing for me and my kitchen is to do nothing until they make a "fix my kitchen" spray.
That's you.
TIL you can commit a genocide without crossing the 'fascism' line
Honestly, you're not giving enough credit to everything they do to make things worse. Between
-Clinton throwing money and resources at shitty ISPs and intellectual property ghouls in the 90s, -Obama putting legal niceties on Bush's assassination program and making sure nobody got held accountable for those murders, -Obama keeping every NSA spying program intact, -Obama throwing taxpayer money at private health insurance companies, -Biden killing stimulus checks (because obviously nobody supports UBI), -Biden throwing taxpayer money at fossil fuel companies, -Biden throwing money at ICE, -Biden throwing money at cops of all sorts, -etc.,
they have done a ton to entrench bad things and undermine good things too.
You should probably still vote for them because there's nothing on this list Republicans wouldn't try to turbocharge, but if we don't get rid of the awful Dems we have now and replace them with people who are actually willing to fight for us it's actually just a choice between carnage quickly or carnage slowly