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This kind of snarky dismissal is a textbook example of the genetic fallacy. It's rejecting an argument or claim solely because of its source, rather than engaging with the content, the evidence, or the reasoning behind it.
Yes, The Kyiv Independent is Ukrainian, and yes, it likely carries national bias. Just like literally every national outlet does during wartime. That doesn’t automatically invalidate every fact it reports, especially when those facts are supported by third-party evidence and international bodies.
In this article, for example, the claim about the child adoption "catalog" is backed by:
Screenshots from Russian occupation websites, figures from Save Ukraine ( a long-standing NGO) and references to internationally verified abductions; numbers confirmed by Ukraine's ombudsman, the ICC’s arrest warrants, and other human rights organizations)
So even if you don’t like the outlet, you're still responsible for engaging with the facts, not just rolling your eyes and calling it propaganda.
Dismissing credible, corroborated claims with a one-liner is lazy and cowardly. If you're going to talk about war crimes and mass abductions, do better than a meme-level deflection and actually engage the facts. This isn’t some Internet drama without consequences; it’s the systematic erasure of children.
Dismissing Russian media reports occurs way more commonly but no one says anything then.
Russian sources arnt legitimate, and are filled with propaganda, so its generally ignored. it would be deleted on reddit as it would here as well.
What-aboutism. I love how generic and useless you're being.
Ah, so now we're on to classic whataboutism fallacy. Pointing out that Russian media gets dismissed (often for good reason) doesn’t make it logically valid to dismiss any report just because of its origin.
If you think The Kyiv Independent is questionable, that's fine! Interrogate the claims. Ask:
What are the sources?
Are they independent?
Can they be verified elsewhere?
The same rules apply to Russian media and every other claim.
But using other fallacies doesn't justify your response. Saying “Well, people dismiss Russian media too” isn’t a defense. It’s just avoiding the argument again.
Russian media rarely if ever cites their sources, and when they do they are dubious at best
and mostly because putin control what russian media puts out as well.
These ones certainly aren't.
From the people who gave us the Ghost of Kiev and the Snake Island fantasy
Did they report on those at all?
I searched their websites and I got 0 hits on the Ghost of Kyiv, and 1 hit on Snake Island (this).
"From the people who gave us the Ghost of Kiev" is not specifically that rag.
The whole western propaganda machine in and out of ex-ukraine lies.
From the begining, when the Russians were supposedly out of ammo or gas to the claims they had to use shovels.
But I'm sure the KievIndependent is totally independent and neutral.
How could they not be, started with Canadian (full of WW2 ukronazi diasphora offspring) and European NED money.
And one look at who works for them can confirm that:
The unquestioned star of The Kyiv Independent, however, is defense reporter Illia Ponomarenko, who, in a short time, has built up a following of over 1.1 million people on Twitter. From the front lines, his tweets and videos go viral daily and provide the basis for much of the Western media's reporting on the conflict. Yet Ponomarenko is far from a neutral actor, and spends an inordinate amount of his time embedded with the Azov Battalion, the Neo-Nazi group whom he describes as his "good friend[s]" and his "brothers in arms." *
Why don't you cut out the middle man and ask the US regime directly what the facts are in ex-ukraine.
There is no such thing as "neutral" in a war, but facts are facts, and lies are lies. If the position people take means people say lies, you disprove the lies.
From all this word-soup I see that you have effectively not a good example of false reporting from the Kyiv Independent, and you cast a wide net to the whole "western media".
What is an example of neutral media in your opinion that you consider factual and trustworthy?
Here's another older source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-ukraine-children-russia-war-kidnapping-evidence-b2717730.html
Children from Eastern Europe have been considered prime trafficking victims for several decades now. They are usually white and easily accessible, often sitting out on the streets.
Here's a documentary about Romanian street children: https://youtu.be/HDiIrdzFGCY
Here's Robert Maxwell trafficking them: https://www.nli.org.il/he/images/%20nnl_archive_al990040300950205171/NLI#$FL45875197
There is substantial evidence that torture, snuff, rape, bestiality, and CSAM materials coming from Russia are made by Putin's request and put out by his request to accrue blackmail on the people who view them online. A large part of what many world leaders want today are just straight up children and babies as a commodity.
UK tabloids aren't a source
Hey, out of curiosity- is Putin a bad person? Can you say something negative about Putin?
Yes, I don't have the simplistic thinking of the western mouthpieces.
He is simply the lesser evil, and that's not hard when the other side is the worstt imperial aggressive country to ever exist.