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[-] theparadox@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It’s the best system when combined with strong regulation and good social safety nets.

Both regulation and social safety nets run counter to the concept of a free market and a free market is central to the definition of Capitalism.

That's like saying "The best form of travel is unrestrained forward acceleration" with the caveat that it must be combined with the ability to break and steer.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

No, it’s like saying that the best form of transportation is some form of forward locomotive force kept in check by brakes and steering. Like, you know actual cars.

Basically you’re looking at a Toyota Corolla and saying “What? Some of its parts move it forward, and some of its parts stop it from moving? That’s a total contradiction! It’s central to the definition of a car that it move forward!”

Yes regulation and social safety nets run counter, that’s the point.

There’s no one concept which makes for a good system in a totally undiluted form. Pure centralized economy: disaster. Pure capitalism, disaster.

Capitalism tempered by regulation and socialism: a balance of economic dynamism and humanist restraint.

The core of your argument seems to be that the only form of capitalism is unrestrained capitalism and we just don’t agree on those semantics. I believe a free market system can be governed and taxed to support social welfare. You believe that capitalism can only be unrestrained. Well, my version of reality is everywhere we look: both Europe and the US are examples of free market economies with some safety net and regulation attached. Europe is stronger on the latter two but the US is hardly at zero.

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago

Capitalism is inherently about vice exploutation and getting around rukes, though. You can't say 'capitalism but virtuous'; that's nonsense. 'Capitalism but restrained' translates to reality as 'caputalism but only fir the first five minutes before breaking everything'.

[-] droans@midwest.social 2 points 6 months ago

Adam Smith, the father of capitalism, was pretty clear that a free market still needs protection.

A man must always live by his work, and his wages must at least be sufficient to maintain him. They must even upon most occasions be somewhat more; otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family, and the race of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation...

Every species of animals naturally multiplies in proportion to the means of their subsistence, and no species can ever multiply beyond it. But in civilised society it is only among the inferior ranks of people that the scantiness of subsistence can set limits to the further multiplication of the human species; and it can do so in no other way than by destroying a great part of the children which their fruitful marriages produce.

The liberal reward of labour, by enabling them to provide better for their children, and consequently to bring up a greater number, naturally tends to widen and extend those limits. It deserves to be remarked, too, that it necessarily does this as nearly as possible in the proportion which the demand for labour requires. If this demand is continually increasing, the reward of labour must necessarily encourage in such a manner the marriage and multiplication of labourers, as may enable them to supply that continually increasing demand by a continually increasing population.

[-] ___qwertz___@feddit.org 1 points 6 months ago

Modern neoliberal capitalism is mostly based on Friedrich Hayek who thought that any regulation to the market is harmful. Smith is long overdue.

During a party meeting, Margareth Thetcher literally pulled out a book of Hayek out of her handbag, slammed it on the table and declared "This is what we believe".

[-] theparadox@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Adam Smith, the father of capitalism

Adam Smith is long dead and so is whatever he defined his ideal capitalism. The rich, the powerful, the most diehard proponents of capitalism... They are all pushing for less regulation, fewer social safety nets, lower taxes, lower labor cost. They absolutely don't give a flying fuck about their workers 'ability to provide for their families.

That's the end result of profit and greed being the driving force of the economy and markets. We're just back to a new flavor of feudalism.

[-] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 months ago

Look at the scandinavian countries. Arguably the best example of how to do capitalism, regulation and socialism. Seems to work out for their citizens.

[-] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

So the best way to do capitalism is to have less of it than other nations

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