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[-] diablexical@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

A June 2013 poll conducted by DPP showed an overwhelming 77.6% consider themselves as Taiwanese.[140] On the independence-unification issue, the survey found that 25.9 percent said they support unification, 59 percent support independence, and 10.3 percent prefer the "status quo." When asked whether Taiwan and China are parts of one country, the party said the survey found 78.4 percent disagree, while 15 percent agreed. As for whether Taiwan and China are two districts in one country, 70.6 percent disagree, while 22.8 percent agree

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[-] honeynut@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago

The DPP (pro-Independence party) polling seems to differ a bit from National Chengchi University's yearly poll where "maintain status quo indefinitely/decide later" were the two most popular selections.

[-] richietozier4@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

maintain status quo indefinitely/decide later

me deciding what I'm going to do today

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[-] diablexical@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I agree the polling is a bit different, I don't think it contradicts the DPP study though. Setting aside the question of national identity (not addressed in the NCU study) vs national policy goals, NCU went 32/28/21 for status quo maintain/decide later/move toward independence. 1.6 wanted status quo + move toward unification. 21 > 1.6. Thanks for providing further evidence!

[-] honeynut@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

21 > 1.6

If you're only looking at the "immediate action" options it's 4.5% independence vs 1.6% unification

Grouping the camps together, the graph shows 25% vs 8% currently while not too long ago in 2018 it was 20% vs 16%. It's a contentious issue, and opinions wax and wane depending on the diplomatic situation with the only consistency being that the majority of people favor maintaining the status quo. However, I think as more of the older generations die off, much like in South Korea, identification with a cross-border national project will likely diminish.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

70% of US adults believe in angels, but that doesn't make it true. No countries with any actual amount of power on the global stage recognize the ROC (see the US' One China Policy), which means that regardless of whatever views people claim to have when surveyed, Taiwan is de facto part of the PRC.

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[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

You sorta have to win the war to declare independence.

Change the question to: “would you die for Taiwanese independence?” And watch the numbers drop.

[-] diablexical@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

You sorta have to win the war to declare independence.

So mainland China is not independent then?

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

They have the mainland and everyone recognizes them as China.

Sounds independent to me. Forget your pedantic nonsense.

[-] diablexical@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Sounds independent to me. Forget your pedantic nonsense.

As does Taiwan to me, and right back at you comrade.

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So the “nation” that doesn’t even consider itself independent sounds independent to you?

And I’m the one being pedantic?

Sorry to say but independence isn’t a vibe.

It’s not a vibe based analysis.

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[-] randint@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Why would anyone want to die for a mere label of "independence"? Most Taiwanese people just want to enjoy the practically independent status quo.

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[-] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

For context: the DPP is the pro-indpendence ultranationalist party founded by local landed elites who collaborated with the Japanese empire during wwii. To this day many Taiwanese ultranationalists around the DPP deny Japanese atrocities such as Nanjing and Unit 731. This may not be the most reliable source, three pinocchios!

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Anyone who says they support the DPP is openly saying they support fascists.

[-] randint@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I don't support the DPP, but they are far from being fascists.

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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Interesting that you choose to present a 10 year old poll conducted by the pro-independence party instead of easily accessible recent polls conducted by well regarded Taiwanese universities.

I guess those other cherries just didn't look as ripe, eh?

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

From 2023

"However, in a more stripped-down poll by the Taiwanese Public Opinion Foundation (TPOF, 台灣民意基金會) with only three choices and no nuanced timeline questions, 50% chose independence, 11.8% unification and 25.7% maintain the status quo."

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4782886

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