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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by Timely_Jellyfish_2077@programming.dev to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

It feel like we’re losing to Google, day by day. They aren’t killing AOSP directly, but they are making it useless step by step.

Now it’s Google Play Services, Play Integrity checks, installation source checks… more and more apps just refuse to run without GMS. Banking apps? Most of them don’t work. And it’s only getting worse. I run vanilla AOSP on my main profile, no Play Services. I keep GMS only in my work profile for the apps that absolutely need it. But now even some regular apps that don't need any play services won’t work on my main profile anymore. They simply block your from running , like le chat.

Maps is google's most important app there is no way to run without play services. Sure we can use webview or gmaps wv, but they don't provide turn-by-turn directions. Earlier maps used to work without play services, but two years ago, an update stopped it from working. Now that old version is out of date and no longer works.

Google is slowly making GMS very important to run. The problem with GMS is they require to run as system app and has to have all the permissions by default.

Hope EU puts pressure to make google allow apps to run independently without GMS or atleast install them as user apps(like graphene os sandboxed play services).

If we keep going on like this, AOSP can only run fdroid apps in the future.

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[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not sure what you mean by "aggressive routing"?

[-] majster@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Gmaps often tries to be clever and recommends you to go off the main road onto some smaller one. This might be ok in USA but where I live its annoying at best. OsmAnd is much better in this regard.

[-] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It does it in the US as well, and I find it infuriating. Especially when many of it's "shortcuts" are worse for reasons that its algorithm doesn't detect, like major pot holes, heavy pedestrian traffic, lack of visible street signs, etc.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm in Scandinavia and haven't had issues with gmaps routing. The routing of OsmAnd is fine, but the navigation visualization is insanely bad, when you turn your phone horizontal they fill the whole screen with basically useless blank bars both at the top and bottom instead of just showing the map and turn-by-turn instructions in a corner like gmaps. That combined with the less than useless searching (if you don't know the specific address of a place you're pretty much SOoL) makes it really bad IME.

[-] Ilandar@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

if you don’t know the specific address of a place you’re pretty much SOoL

Look the address up and put it into the map app...problem solved.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Yes but that's the nuisance you don't want with an application specifically made to make navigation easier. I want good simple workflows, not shitty clunky workarounds.

[-] Ilandar@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Switching to FOSS/private alternatives is full of compromises. Considering this one takes about 10 seconds out of my life and is literally how all navigation worked before smartphones and learned helplessness, I think it's well worth the trade-off.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah i disagree that FOSS should be given extra slack just because...

[-] Ilandar@lemmy.today 0 points 15 hours ago

It's not about giving them extra slack, it's aboit whether you want to live in reality or not. No small FOSS app is going to be a 1:1 match for Google Maps, that's just a complete fantasy. So you, and others complaining in this thread, need to decide whether you are willing to make sacrifices to support big tech alternatives. If not, fine, but I don't see the point in moaning about it online if you are unwilling to be part of the solution. The alternatives won't magically improve if no one uses them, they need people to support the project and offer feedback to help shape future development.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I'm not expecting perfect matches, but what is considered basic proper functionality. Expecting a navigation app that is not just on par with a 25 year old TomTom is really not setting the bar high or expecting too much IMO.

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