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Dude was getting lonely not being able to micromanage the lives of government employees.

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Ontario ordering public servants back into office full time

Current mandate of 3 days a week has been provincial government policy since April 2022

Mike Crawley · CBC News · Posted: Aug 14, 2025 7:17 AM PDT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago

Premier Doug Ford's government is ordering Ontario public servants to work from the office four days a week starting this fall and then full-time in January.

It's a change from a policy that has been in place since April 2022, when provincial government employees were mandated to be in their offices at least three days per week.

Employees of the Ontario Public Service, provincial agencies, boards and commissions must "increase their attendance to four days per week" starting Oct. 20 and transition to full-time hours in-office effective Jan. 5, 2026, said Treasury Board President Caroline Mulroney in an announcement Thursday. 

Ford says he believes government employees are more productive when they are in the office. 

"How do you mentor someone over a phone? You can't. You've got to look at them eye to eye," Ford said during an unrelated news conference Thursday in Pickering.

Ford also suggested having provincial workers return to the office is better for the economy, pointing out that many small businesses that rely on foot traffic from office workers have suffered due to remote work policies

"There's hard-working entrepreneurs that their business has basically just died when they weren't seeing the flow of traffic."

The news follows on the heels of announcements by four of Canada's big banks — RBC, Scotiabank, BMO and TD — that staff at their Toronto headquarters must spend at least four days a week in the office, effective this fall. 

'Everyone needs to go back to work,' says Ford

Ford said his government wasn't influenced by the bank mandates, but said business leaders he'd spoken with agree "everyone needs to go back to work." 

"We look forward to having everyone back; we're very grateful for the work they do. We have the best public service in Canada and I appreciate the work they do every day," he said.

Ontario's top bureaucrat, Secretary of Cabinet Michelle DiEmanuele, said in a memo obtained by CBC News that the decision "is in line with an increasing number of organizations across the public and private sectors."

The province's move comes just two weeks after it reached a new collective agreement with AMAPCEO, which represents some 14,000 professional, administrative and supervisory employees in the Ontario Public Service. 

The province was "hellbent on removing" employees' options for remote work during those negotiations, says AMAPCEO president Dave Bulmer. 

"I am incensed by this morning's announcement," said Bulmer in a message to union members. "We have shown that we can, and should, be treated as the capable, trustworthy professionals we are — professionals capable of working for Ontario from anywhere." 

Bulmer says there should be no changes for provincial employees who have a formal, signed agreement allowing them to work remotely, and says AMAPCEO members who want to work remotely should make an official request now.

Officials from OPSEU, the union that represents roughly half of the Ontario Public Service workforce, said they will issue a statement in response to the changes later on Thursday. 

The provincial government's single-largest office space in Toronto, the Macdonald Block complex, is undergoing a $1.5 billion renovation and has been shut down for six years. 

Staff of several provincial ministries have since been working from rented office space scattered around the city's downtown. 

Federal government employees are currently subject to a three-days-per-week minimum in the workplace, imposed last September. There's been some evidence since that the policy is not being strictly enforced

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Mike Crawley

Senior reporter

Mike Crawley has covered Ontario politics for CBC News since 2009. He began his career as a newspaper reporter in B.C., spent six years as a freelance journalist in various parts of Africa, then joined the CBC in 2005. Mike was born and raised in Saint John, N.B.

With files from Sarah Petz

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[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 12 points 16 hours ago

I really don’t get that mentoring question. I’ve been mentoring employees remotely for over a decade. I’ve found it’s useful to have a few in-person meetups, but most work and career growth can very much be done remotely for any job involving information only.

Obviously any job requiring physical manipulation of objects is going to have to be on site at least some of the time.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 12 hours ago

I think a normal job your mentor session plan works. Its only more useful for in office continuous contact when it is almost like an apprenticeship type role, where you have to be directing and teaching most of the time

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

If it’s an information job, that can be done online too. You can do screen sharing, document sharing, etc. and work on things together while in different places.

I’ve spent hours working cooperatively on a shared screen with both parties using their headsets.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, I have done this too, as well as online trainer sessions for 5 day courses, but I find in person is better training because you can read body language better for your students understanding, and see their screen to see their struggles that they may not be sharing in an online session. You also get more impromptu conversation in person that leads to deeper understanding on technical work. But for awareness I'm not advocating back to work, I have worked from home for 15 years.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 hours ago

I had the advantage of working out of an office for years while doing remote training/mentoring. What I found was that different techniques were required online, but one wasn’t “better” than the other, just different.

Of course, different people thrive in the different environments too; there were some people who needed the in-person interaction and eventually moved on or were let go. And there were others who wouldn’t have lasted in an in-person environment who are now top performers working remotely.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

IMO It's like any teaching theory, everyone learns differently, so when you teach kids letters you say the letter(or sound), you see an image of it, you have them trace the image in the air with there arm. Those all reinforce parts of memory, or if somebody has a processing issue with any, they rely on the others. In person you can present and walk the room, interact and see reactions, gauge interest by who is sleeping, etc. Change tone to suit the room mood. All the subtlety that online doesn't give you.

Again, I'm not against WFH, I have been doing it for 15 years, even training people 1 on 1 or in groups. Its adequate, but not ideal.

There are other benefits though, doing remote training with the trainees also all separately remote, means if one person has to leave for a washroom break they just silently disappear and aren't disturbing a live classroom. They haven't gotten up early and battled 1.5 hours of traffic to get to training, so they start fresh. Etc

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