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WHY AM I EVEN AWARE OF ONE OF YOUR (NOT EVEN) MAYORS?? WAS RATBOY NOT ENOUGH??
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Zohrans victory doesnt invalidate third party bids, if anything it encourages them by giving them a successful template that can defeat DNC fuckery
The Democratic Party is still as unpopular as ever so that's not true, instead Zohran has caused an explosion of DSA and PSL membership and most importantly of all he is normalizing pro-Palestinian sentiment and proving once and for all that pro-Palestinian candidates can win and win big, THAT and that alone justifies the "hyper focus" we should have for Zohran, he's a newly divergent tributary that can one day transform into its own river
Otherwise the anti-electoral brigade needs to justify why it's actaully a good thing for Socialist development that pro-Palestine candidates lose to centrist dems
what, by running popular candidates within the Democratic party? handing them our best political figures while having no ability to actually manage or restrain them according to the democratic will of an independent socialist organisation? how does that defeat the DNC?
millions of people going into the streets and voicing these sentiments for years normalised it, not a single politician. you have it backwards and this is a liberal mode of thinking.
Bernie and a number of other candidates were already this and they've since proved their ultimate worthlessness, the phase of struggle in which these candidates are useful to the left is over.
NYC-DSA was very clear that running on the democratic party ballot line was an NYC specific strategy and a requirement to be a viable candidate in NYC.
Running on the democratic party ballot line is also not the same as running "within the democratic party". Its a weird nuance specific to US politics. Whose name gets a (D) or an (R) next to it isn't controlled by the parties but the local election commission. Mamdani doesn't have any obligations to the NYC democratic party and that's why they're still rallying around Cuomo. He effectively stole their ballot line.
He's running for mayor not congress or the senate, he has to maintain support with the orgs he's allied with to leverage their base for support within city goverment, a senator can ignore the unions and socialist orgs of their hometown, Zohran can't
This is idealism, a million westerners with their half-support for Palestine didn't do jack shit, in case you haven't noticed the genocide is still raging
Power in this country is in the hands of a small poltical class, but a pro-Palestinian candidate becoming mayor of New York City is something those politicians can't ignore like they do with a hundred protests
Bernie dammed up his own tributary, Zohran gave a rousing speech to the DSA the minute after he won, Bernie wouldn't have done that
You're plainly moving the goalpost. The person you are responding to explicitly said that the protests "normalized sentiments" of supporting Palestine, not that they have saved Palestine from the genocide.
Also, westerners have done something material, because they have at least given millions of dollars to organizations that actually help Palestinians in a number of ways. No, that is not remotely, fractionally enough, but to act like it's nothing when it has saved people's lives is gross.
I wasn't moving the goalpost, I was being charitable and assuming the person I was talking to wasn't a total dumbass, the genocide being broadcast all over the world is what "normalized sentiments" the protests were a reaction and weren't a major factor in shifting people's sentiments, that's literally getting the causation backwards
Now who's moving goalposts, we're talking about PROTESTS not the concept of "doing something material" a protest and a donation drive are not the same thing, and there's nothing "gross" about pointing out that as per the stated goals of the protests, they were failures, some people may find comfort in just the fact the protests happened, I don't
This is a strange reply. I don't think any protest had the stated goal of "immediately stopping the genocide" because that is obviously outside of their power. There were definitely protests that had stated goals of making this or that entity divest that failed, though there were also ones that succeeded. More to the point, do you not understand that the genocide being broadcast all over the world, though it has other causes contributing, was indeed something protestors have consciously undertook doing to the point that Zionists actively complain about those people disseminating pictures and videos for the purpose of showing the horror Israel is inflicting?
Do you not think that people were recruited and educated on this subject at protests sites around the world? Do you not think that the absurd response to Columbia's protestors, Mahmoud Khalil's case, and so on did not open anyone's eyes to how ridiculous the zionist orthodoxy is? Do you think there is no connection between all of this and the relative success of charities collecting donations with the help of these same protest groups? You said their "half-support for Palestine didn't do jack shit" and you're just wrong.
Give me a break, plenty of them did think that, not every protest was organized by steely-eyed Leninists with a realist perspective on politics, dare I say quite a few were extremely liberal in their messaging and outlook
Social media was the primary, secondary, hell even tertiary vector of dissemination for the images and videos that radicalized millions around the world, not the protests, I don't get how this is even remotely a controversial point, I summit the protests may in some or many cases imparted confidence to people to express their radicalized views, but they didn't create them wholesale
I'm not gonna just take that on faith, Americans and westerners in general are notorious protest tourists, I need to see data proving protests led to an uptick of recruitment and education, and I mean the protests themselves, not the reaction to the genocide broadly
No, seemed to me most Americans backed or tacitly supported the police brutality against Columbia protesters, the Mahmoud Khalil case was different, but I wouldn't place it under the banner of protests
No, I believe the relative success of the charities was by far a result of social media engagement
Then I'll amend my statement to be more accurate; aside from donations and charities, the half-support for Palestine didn't do jack shit, the world including all of the west failed Palestine, that's undisputable