if you fall for this shit you are such a gigantic rube we need a new word to describe the level of turboschmuckery dear god (lemmy.ml)

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WHY AM I EVEN AWARE OF ONE OF YOUR (NOT EVEN) MAYORS?? WAS RATBOY NOT ENOUGH??

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[-] revolut1917@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's possible to engage with that energy to productive ends, even without believing that his tactics are ultimately going to be successful.

yeah and my point is that this phase of his career is now over. now the game is to point out his issues, point out the deficiencies in the "democratic" structure that make it impossible for him to actually be the figure people wanted him to be. push further left and push for strengthening independent socialist organisations rather than subjugating them to the Democratic apparatus. people who want to keep backing him at this point will end up in the same dustbin as those who still back Bernie and AOC.

[-] hex_5586ff@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 day ago

Why should we do this prior to him winning? If our whole point is to point out the contradictions in electoralism, wouldn’t it make more sense to get him to office and then point out and say “see? You can win as a socialist and the system will still prevent you from affecting change.”

I’m anti-electoralism but I don’t get this position. Doesn’t Lenin write that we should participate in it to highlight its contradictions?

[-] ufcwthrowaway@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

I'll come at this from a different angle: Zohran's behavior in office is a measure of NYC-DSA's ability to discipline their candidates and their ability to learn from AOC.

We shouldn't be saying "Zohran is a sheepdog" or w/e we should be saying "DSA come get your man"