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Philippa Foot is most known for her invention of the Trolley Problem thought experiment in the 1960s. A lesser known variation of hers is as follows:

Suppose that a judge is faced with rioters demanding that a culprit be found for a certain crime. The rioters are threatening to take bloody revenge on a particular section of the community. The real culprit being unknown, the judge sees himself as able to prevent the bloodshed from the riots only by framing some innocent person and having them executed.

These are the only two options: execute an innocent person for a crime they did not commit, or let people riot in the streets knowing that people will die. If you were the judge, what would you do?

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[-] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Condemning an innocent person to death would be the direct responsibility of the Judge, whereas the judge is not directly responsible for the actions of the protestors.

This logic could be applied to the original trolley problem as well - pulling the lever is condemning an innocent person to death and you are directly responsible for it, while you are not responsible for the trolley continuing on its course and killing five people.

[-] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The difference, and what makes the trolley problem more effective I think, is that the trolley problem doesn’t give us the framework of a judicial system, rule of law, whereas the judge has that.

I think, anyway. I only took intro philosophy classes.

[-] HandwovenConsensus@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Having skimmed the original paper about the trolley problem, I think what the author was trying to illustrate was the difference between direct and indirect harm.

If you redirect the trolley, you're not trying to kill the man on the other track. You're trying to save the five on the first track by directing the trolley away from them. While the other man may die because of this, there's always the possibility he'll escape on his own.

Whereas if the judge sentences an innocent man to death, that is choosing to kill him. The innocent man MUST die for the outcome the judge intends. So there's culpability that doesn't exist in the trolley scenario.

In one case you're accepting a bad outcome for one person as a side effect, in the other you're pursuing it as a necessary step.

[-] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

That makes sense. The original problem is "do nothing" vs. "do something", while this version is "do something just" vs. "do something unjust".

[-] DrPop@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

True but then that's where personal philosophy comes in. Doing nothing is still an action to me especially if I was aware. It's rather be responsible for one death rather then several.

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