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NOOOO LAND BELONGS TO LE EVERYONE!!!!
RRRREEEEE GIVE IT BACK!!!!
Please stop. Land doesn't belong to anyone. This has to apply to everyone. Or it means nothing.
Obviously in this case it's a convenient legalism to block an awful prison from being built and there's no shame there and only joy, but please don't turn this into a solidarity-shattering, shitflinging competition about what land belongs to who when all land belongs to everyone.
Damn, this comment and "Oh dear. Blocked." were really unnecessary in tone, because otherwise at least your other comments are quite OK.
Let's see if 6 months is long enough for you to mature LOL.
it's kind of admirable how much wrong and stupid you fit into a couple sentences while using the vocabulary of a braindead 4chan user from a decade ago.
Where was I wrong? When I said land doesn't belong to anyone? Isn't this meant to be a leftist space? This should be an utterly uncontroversial thing to say.
Your deeply bad faith 'attempts' at 'understanding' mean that the way you mean anything is going to reliably be obviously wrong, even if i could say the exact same words and be correct.
I'd ask why you're like this, but...
there is no contradiction between private property abolition and land-back.
private property abolition is about ending rentseeking and recommoning the means of (re)production.
land-back is about self-determination and reparations for the descendants of these genocided peoples; peoples whose destruction still benefits the living descandants of settlers. it's about returning to broken treaties, ending extractive capitalism on their sacred land, and ending the process of enclosure which cuts them off from their culture, families and neighbours. it's about restoring rights and laws of stewardship to the people who actually live there and have a connection to the land.
land-back doesn't mean transferring private property. it means reöpening it and giving indigenous peoples back their right of stewardship.
land-back is private property abolition. it's also an environmental movement.
Thank god for user tags. It’s not the first time I’ve seen this user being confidently wrong on multiple levels.
Land does belong to you if you live there imo...
Check out "What is Property" by Proudhon.
Yes that's why colonialism is obviously bad. Personal vs. Private property. Landback isn't about that though.
Please move to russia or NK or China....my family lived through the USSR and still deals with the shit they caused.
You whine and complain here in the evil capitalism/imperialism countries...just move, go, prove us all wrong how evil our way is.
First of all - all of those countries are Capitalist. Though I would describe Russia as socially fascist.
Second of all - my family also lived through the USSR, and also whines about the shit they caused. Though if you ask them - they'd rather that than the Russia of today.
They're not wrong about the soviets either, the Soviet Union was far from ideal, but we shouldn't strive to repeat their mistakes and let our blind ideological faith in liberalism and capitalism make us think we are perfect or that we cannot learn from them.
Marx's economic ideas for instance are largely true and are incorporated into mainstream economics theory all the same.
All is not as simple as it seems.
words. they do be hard to ken some of times, no?
Cool so if I steal your car I can just say that cars don't belong to anyone, got it
I mean, they shouldn't, and if you buy one you should be vivisected with rusted sheet metal and left screaming somewhere public. I support the stealing of cars, and also totally random car bombs
If you buy a car you should be vivisected?
As-written you should, but i think my feelings lean towards both.
Damn, wish I wasn't in a place where if you don't have a car you're fucked.
But if you do buy a car, you're fucking others! It's great.
It's as though there's no ethical consumption under capitalism and maybe instead of wanting to flay people who are forced to participate in it for survival, like having to get a car to get a job to eat, we should flay the people who made the system and perpetuate it.
Im pretty good at wanting stuff; i think i can manage two at a time; both the progeneitors and the fanatically complicit who so often refuse to imagine better and attack me for trying.
But also, who said anything about flaying?
Flaying, vivisected, whatever. You want to torture people to death for buying a car.
Vivisected implies they remain alive, asshole!
And also different from flaying!
I remember when language sometimes had nuance and wasnt entirely just vibes. I miss that.
Typical Internet pedant, who's also missing the larger point, which is that you said you want people to be vivisected for buying a car. The subtext is that you're cool with torturing people who make choices you don't like, so I figured you'd be cool with flaying people.
Also vivisection can involve some flaying.
Either way, the point is that some people are put into situations where they need to buy a car to survive, and you want to harm them, viscerally, over that. That's a pretty fucked up position to have, and you can't nitpick your way out of it.
No im a special kind. Youll see!
Pretty sure thats not subtext. Whats the opposit of subtext. Domtext? It's dom text. But poojt taken, will reduce dubtlety; maybe time instead of posting on the internet ill emboss it on a brick of something that normally just says 'drop and run' and beat a few drivers in the skull with it.
Sure, but it can also not, and lots of other things. Plus it's educational. Plus flaying has some gendered classed and specifically transphobic baggage i don't want to fuck with. Not interested in splash damage here.
Okay. They're also put into situations where they need to do other atrocities or eat people or kill strangers to survive. That's pretyy fucked up too
Okay, youre right. Like how it's not murder if you use a car. And how those fuckers aleays defend against any alternative existing.
Man if you think flaying has some political baggage you really haven't looked into vivisection's history.
So you're pro murder but also against murder, weird. Have fun playing at being RaNdOm I guess
I'm against punching down. It's not 'RaNdOM', it's just going deeper than aesthetics. Which i suppose could look in congruous from a certain perspective.
Weird that you're against punching down but also desperately want to torture people with vivisection when they are forced to buy a commodity in order to survive. Seems hypocritical.
Well, they're drivers not people.if they think nothing of ebdanfering my life for convenience, why the fuck should i care about theor well being? If you're putting my life at serious risk for reasons that i had no part in, there's nothing morally wrong with anything i do to you.
Like, if your bookie says you've got 24 hours to pay up, and you try to mug me, it's not bad for me to do basically ajyyhing to you-especially if i asked if you wanted to get together and get rid of your bookie together and you told me to 'fuck off you delusional idealist; this is the only way'.
You can take anything of mine I don't use.
If I build a house and then leave it empty for months, and you need shelter - you are welcome to take shelter inside.
The issue with colonialism is among other things, forced resettlement from land these people lived on. But this obviously doesn't mean the land is owned by those people now, or should be owned in the private property sense by anyone.
the subject of this thread is about land that indigenous people who are alive right now had access to before it was turned into a concentration camp right next to their homes.
Well yes, but we need concentration camps. Where else will we dispose of the people we don't like?
Cool I'm gonna eat all your food. Also like, actively try to kill you. Because you're ok with that.
I would rather the most brutal aztec king or comanche warlord own the place i live than blackrock.
Your weird property fetish should stay on fetlife. Or 4chan if you're banned from fetlife.
To be fair, a lot of leftists are pro-nationalism, so it's not inconsistent for them to demand hundreds of nationalistic ethnostates for indigenous populations. It's a sad state of affairs
Yeah, I guess I didn't know that nationalism of all things would be something I'd see leftists defending.
FYI, most "land back" campaigns are more about stewardship than possession. That is to say: there's no interest in kicking families out of their homes, but instead about managing the land and resources.
That's the thing though - "managing the land and resources" is effectively in many ways amounts to ownership of the means of production, and that "most" is doing a lot of legwork too. I find the whole concept problematic and I don't like that this obvious legal victory is being tied to this by leftists here.
I'm just trying to point you in the direction to educate yourself. You've got a certain "vibe" towards the concept. I'm giving you an alternate vibe to consider, but I have lived somewhere that 'land back' actually happened, and that's where I came by my vibe.
Read 'seeing like a state' and tell me indigenous land management in the americas was worse than what we have now.
I want the means of production producing and sustainable, and ideally egalitarian. This serms like the most politically viable way to do that. Therefore: landback.
Damn, this comment and "Oh dear. Blocked." seem to be in contrast to your otherwise perfectly reasonable ones. But the permaban it is...