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Dems gonna Dem
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Gradual incrementalism is precisely what got us into this mess, so it isn’t that simple. So long as the Dems are controlled by their donors, they will never willingly let an actual leftist in. See Mamdani. Ratchet effect then ensures both parties grow ever rightward.
We need meaningful leftist opposition in power if the US is going to survive. I think transforming the DNC into that is a much more difficult task than anyone cares to admit, and the delusion that we can do it without forming a new party entirely is just bringing us closer to inevitable collapse once the capital owners have stolen everything from us.
Libs/Blue MAGA are gonna hate you for speaking the truth.
Hey look, Blue MAGA replied to you because we spoke the truth!
Keep telling everyone who you are, it makes it easy to know who to ignore.
The single most successful third party presidential candidate since 1900 was Teddy Roosevelt, who had already been president twice, when he ran under the Bull Moose Party ticket. He got 29% of the popular vote, spilt the Republican vote, and handed the presidency to Democrat Woodrow Wilson.
The second most successful third party presidential candidate since 1900 was Ross Perot in 1992. He got 18.6% of the popular vote, drew conservative voters away from George H. W. Bush, and handed the presidency to Bill Clinton.
Third party candidates by all means should run for local and down-ballot offices, but above a certain level, if you haven't got a realistic plan for how to win beyond wishful thinking, then the responsible move is to run as hard as you can in the primary, try to drag the primary electorate in the direction you want it to move, and endorse the major party candidate that most closely aligns with your views. If you aren't even hitting twenty percent in the polls leading up to the general, then you're acting as a spoiler and helping your most-hated opponent win.
No what got us here is no one voting. Literally go look at participation between elections.
Why is no one voting? Could it be that making people choose between 2 shit candidates doesn't work?
The voting system needs to change.
As soon as elections stop being just one vote per individual we can actually vote our conscience. New York City has Ranked Choice voting, so does Alaska and Maine. Ideally having STAR, Ranked Robin, or Score voting would be best as the first two are better versions of Ranked Choice voting.
This is called letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. We can push for better electoral systems while also refusing to vote for Democrats who support genocide or support throwing minority groups onto the pyre.
It's actually the only way it will change.
Those in power do not want the electoral system to change, because they know of it changes they will lose their power which was only given to them because of how fucked up the system is. They rely on the system being fucked up.
Change will not come from within the system while those in power over the system benefit from its structure.
People are gonna need to find alternative means to take power back in order to affect change.
What got us into this mess was the resounding success of gradual incrementalism in the hands of the right. We didn't get where we are spontaneously, it's the result of decades of preparation by the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation.
It works, you just have to commit to it.
Please, inform us plebs on how not voting for the Democratic nominee will help improve things.
How has voting for the centrist Democratic nominee been going so far?
Maybe people aren't voting because all they see are two Republicans. I've been voting since 1996 and every time I feel I've been voting for the lesser of two evils.
Maybe people want candidates that are worth voting for.
What we were doing certainly isn't working, it's how we got in this mess in the first place. We need to change or we'll lose again.
Please educate me how not voting, thereby allowing the fascists to take control (we're already there so it's not theoretical) helps improve things. You didn't vote for the Bad Centrist Democrats so instead now we have the one party fascist rule that those tewwibwe centwists cwied about.You' re so righteous and we all feel inferior to your non-voting prowess.