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Getting rid of techofascist services
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I dont use either of those.
I only use my credit card to buy online. I would rather trust my bank than some third party USA shite company.
Credit cards, unlike debit cards, offer more protections than shitty paypal.
specifically here on Airstrip One, there are no protections if you buy with paypal, whereas there are strict protections if you use your credit card.
Buyers using a credit card might get a refund via chargeback from their credit-card company. However, in the UK, where such a purchaser is entitled to specific statutory protections (that the credit card company is a second party to the purchase and is therefore equally liable in law if the other party defaults or goes into liquidation) under Section 75 Consumer Credit Act 1974, the purchaser loses this legal protection if the card payment is processed via PayPal.
Who on this earth needs amazon? amazon, the company that represents all that is wrong with the internet, with its ads, tracking, sellers fees, ai driven sales, etc etc, enshitification and abusive conduct.
I have heard from many people, friends and family, that have tried to get a refund via paypal, only to be rejected with no recourse. wankers!
whereas a quick phone call to the bank and you get a refund immediately.
Amazon is pretty necessary in much of the US. Between big corporate stores like Walmart and Dollar General and online shopping it's really difficult for smaller stores to exist anymore. If there's any market, the big stores will come in, undercut whatever they sell, push the small stores out and then probably just go bankrupt and leave the area without anything. And the fact that much of the US is rural and our infrastructure, especially in rural areas, is old and/or underdeveloped means it could take hours to get to a store and back. And because the big stores only really carry the basics, it's really difficult to get your hands on stuff that's less common. That's where online shopping fills the gap.
I live in a medium sized major city that doesn't allow Walmart to get subsidies their business model relies on to buy up land and buildings on the cheap to help take over markets, and does at least try to keep space for small businesses, and I even have a hard time finding stuff. But doesn't help that even in most of the major cities, transportation is crap because politicians are owned by the fossil fuel companies and so public transit can't get much tax money and traffic is insane not to mention the gas prices are quite high here compared to much of the US even. And the property is super expensive primarily because so much prime real-estate is unoccupied by investors to keep the prices high. So its difficult to set up a specialty shop. I'm sure many other cities have similar issues, but I'm most familiar with this one.
As for Amazon in particular, I used them primarily because their return policy is the best and these days all of the online shops are as likely to send you a used or broken item as a new one and secondarily because at least in my city, the shipping is pretty quick. No other online stores can match it. But that said, they have started to move away from carrying quality brands and primarily sell cheap junk since that's where the profit is especially with their ability to price based on data they've mined from data brokers about you. That's why sites like Keepa and camelcamelcamel are essential to check and track actual prices they offer in addition to doing comparison shopping.
Hey irotsoma
I do feel your dilemma
I would drive for an hour to buy anything from a small store rather than buying from amazon and increasing their profits. Obviously one person has no impact upon their obscene profits.
Amazon is the curse for small business and all its employees, drivers, sellers and customers.
good reseacrh here:
https://www.yalelawjournal.org/note/amazons-antitrust-paradox
The authors conclude that getting the best price on Amazon requires that you "first spend considerable time searching through pages of results and then utilize, at a minimum, spreadsheet algebraic capabilities to determine the product’s full price…[and] somehow de-bias from the psychological effects of anchoring, and labels such as 'limited time deal' and 'Best Seller,' as well as many other subtle psychological influences."
Amazon says it's entitled to use the consumer welfare cheat-code to get out of antitrust enforcement because it has so many bargains. But to get those bargains, you have to pay such minutely detailed attention – literally spreadsheeting your options and hand-coding mathematical formulas to compare them – that you'll almost certainly fail. The price of failure is incredibly high – a 25-29% overcharge on every purchase.
The Amazon Paradox has dropped, and it drills into another way that Amazon overcharges most of us by as much as 29% on nearly every purchase, disqualifying it from invoking that consumer welfare cheat code. The new paper is "Amazon's Pricing Paradox," from law professors Rory Van Loo and Nikita Aggarwal, for The Harvard Journal of Law and Technology:
The authors concede that while Amazon does have some great bargains, it goes to enormous lengths to make it nearly impossible to get those bargains. Drawing from the literature on behavioral economics, the authors make the reasonable (and experimentally verified) assumption that shoppers generally assume that the top results in an Amazon search are the best results, and click on those.
But Amazon's search-ordering is enshittified: it shifts value from sellers and shoppers (you!) to the company. A combination of self-preferencing (upranking Amazon's own knock-offs), pay-for-placement (Amazon ads), other forms of payola (whether a merchant is paying for Prime), and "junk ads" (that don't match your search) turn Amazon's search-ordering into a rigged casino game.
From 2023:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/11/06/attention-rents/
https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/22/23885242/amazon-prime-tv-movies-streaming-ads-subscription-date
I hate Amazon as much as anyone. But you can't live in a post capitalist wasteland without those kinds of things. There is no ethical consumption in such a world and avoiding using one toxic company just required using another.
I use tracking sites for things I can wait for and I shop around, but they almost inevitably have the best prices especially after considering shipping costs, exchange policies for defective or damaged goods, and especially for clothes and shoes, return policies.