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Wanted: Anarchists Who Won't Grow Up
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Lemmy.ml is mostly Marxists, so it's fairly understandable that you're getting some pushback for sharing an explicitly anti-communist piece. I presume you'd get less pushback if it was just a pro-anarchist piece, but it's like you were deliberately trying to spark a fight.
good to know. maybe don't host an anarchist forum so people don't pick it from the drop down menu on other instances and then get met with hostile american dengists
it's not anti communist in the slightest btw unless you're taking the word 'authoritarian' as a smear against you for some reason. it doesn't even mention communism
and the idea that posting an anti-authoritarian piece on a supposedly anarchist forum is 'picking a fight' is so ironic i won't even touch it
The anarchism comm on Lemmy.ml is for anarchists, yes, but that doesn't mean your content is going to be hidden from Marxists. Again, deliberately attacking Marxists on an instance with a lot of them would get a similar reaction to a Marxist posting an anti-anarchist meme on dbzer0, as an example, even if it was a Marxist community.
It's very clearly not for anarchists if anarchists can't use it to talk about anarchism without being dogpiled by salty dengists who get offended by the idea of anarchists opposing authority i.e. the definition of anarchy
It's for anarchists, but again, more Marxists browse Lemmy.ml than anarchists do, so when you post an anti-Marxist post, even if it's on an anarchist community, you're going to get more attention from Marxists. Communities on instances are more like hashtags than actual communities, in my experience. Also, no idea why you're bringing up Deng, this post attacks Marxism in general.
it's not for anarchists. source: i'm an anarchist. there are no anarchists here. and again, it's not anti-marxist just because it mentions not letting "authoritarians" tell you to grow up a couple of times and mentions that Marxists are "opponents" to anarchists. that's you projecting. I'm bringing up Dengists because I know Dengists when I see them.
This section is pretty nakedly anti-Marxist, and again, I don't see why Deng is relevant here when this is against all branches of Marxism.
They're calling us Dengists because most of us support China (even after Deng's post-Mao market reforms) as a socialist project, but since modern China is one of the Great Evil Authoritarian states by their reckoning, the term is meant as a pejorative. It's basically "tankie" but with anti-Chinese characteristics.
I'm sure you're right, just wanted to tease the fact that they are just being anti-communist in general out. Hiding behind being "anti-Dengist" is a pejorative of convenience for them, but all of their issues apply to Marxism broadly.
Obviously as an anarchist I'm not a Marxist, no anarchists are. Plenty of us opt for anarchy, mutualism, communalism, municipalism, etc. We're socialists who disagree with Marx's program. Deng on the other hand is just a run of the mill capitalist making his followers enemies of the working class.
The fact that you're centering Marxism on c/anarchism is a bad look for this project. Not everything has to revolve around your fave bearded white guy. If we can't talk about anarchism here without needing to soothe Marxists' egos, why maintain an anarchist forum?
I didn't say Marxists were anarchists or anarchists were Marxists. I stated that your issues with "Dengists" are just issues you have with Marxists coated in a less left-punchy way. Deng himself was a Marxist-Leninist working with the struggles brought about from the Gang of Four and the Cultural Revolution, socialism is still the mode of production in the PRC.
As for "centering Marxism," I was addressing your complaints of being dogpiled on by Marxists on an instance dominated by Marxists. There are many anarchist users on Lemmy.ml, and they share their views as well without resorting to thinly-veiled attacks on Marxists.
Apparently these anarchists are in hiding because all I see is Dengists in every direction.
If there are really anarchists reading this, perhaps scared to speak up because you don't want to cross the Dengists who clearly control the discourse here:
I didn't write this essay for spiteful Marxists; rather, it's a heartfelt tribute to young anarchists, urging you to persist in your pursuit of anarchy and resist the pressure from these patronising bores to conform to their conservative values. I see so many of you expressing frustration over Marxists mocking your positions. This essay serves as a form of prefiguration, encouraging newer anarchists to envision a more creative and liberating path than the all-too-common ancom to authcom pipeline.
We all need to stop centering the egos of Marxists in everything we do.
You've been attacking "Dengists" for standard Marxist positions. Further, again, nothing here is about "centering egos," I'm explaining why your thinly-veiled hit piece on Marxists is getting a response from Marxists you've attacked.
We all need to stop centering the egos of Marxists in everything we do.
Let us pathetic illiterate anarkiddies get on with doing cool shit now, k?
Who is centering the egos of Marxists?
the marxist forcing me to talk about marxism in c/anarchism for hours because he's offended by the most milquetoast essay i've ever written because it suggests young anarchists shouldn't let authoritarians shame them for being anti-authoritarian....
the irony!
I responded to your comment. Am I to assume you're just a troll, then, that just wanted a reaction? I'm not really offended either, nor am I "centering Marxist egos." You made the comment, I answered.
buddy you have a triple digit number of sockpuppet accounts, I think the gravitational pull of that ego is clearly much more relevant
if i were using multiple accounts the discourse in this place wouldn't be so fucking insipid.
Maybe you should lay out a 5 year plan for sockpuppet production and distribution across the anarchist comms on lemmy, get input on it from 4 other alts, then run a great purge where you ban 2 of them.
that would require me to give a shit about influencing lemmy
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Again, you're projecting. That you see the word "authoritarian regime" and immediately feel victimized says a lot more about you than me. It's talking about all authoritarian regimes from Nazi Germany to Fascist USA to Terf Island and beyond. Anarchists saying authoritarian states haven't liberated people historically is not a personal attack on you.
It's pretty clearly hinting at those who would use the state to uplift the working class, making way for the gradual withering of the state alongside class, ie Marxists. It also directly talks about centralization, ie collectivizing production in the hands of all of society, a distinctly Marxist viewpoint.
Central governments aren't the exclusive domain of Marxists. There's zero mention of using the state to uplift anyone. Holy moley the projection.
The bit about centralizing all power in a single authority is pretty much the standard punch against Marxists. Having a central government is different from centralizing all of production. Secondly, there's this part:
What is this supposed to be attacking other than the notion that a proletarian state can be used to uplift the proletariat?
Why are you trying to dance around?
i'm telling you exactly what you want to hear to end this tedious exchange. too bad the mod decided me talking about the unappealing flavor of boots is somehow 'bigotry'. this place is worse than reddit.
You were free to stop responding whenever you felt like.
you use the word 'free' loosely for someone using a site where bootlicker is considered an unacceptable slur
Are the "authoritarian" mods requiring you to reply to me?
you're ziq lol
Good god would you stop whinging
I'm going to pick a random marxist tendency out of a hat to sound quirky
if by random you mean the tendency followed by lemmy's developers, the entire lemmygrad base and hexbear, yes
By random I mean you had a sneering revelation in the shower where you decided 'yeah! they're all like that!' probably because none of the people listed are calling for the overthrow of China, so you switched from using 'Stalinist'