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BIKE. BIKE TO THE TRAIN STATION
It also solves the problem at the other end where I'm 4 miles from my office.
Trains don't make it easy to get bikes on but that's easily resolved also
Yup. Here in Chicago we now have bike racks inside the trains so you can bring your bike into the city on the metra, as well as allowed in all trains including the colored lines outside of peak hours
While a lot of people can, some live far away, or have small kids, or the weather doesn't allow it, or...
There is no one single solution, every bit helps, and often they help each other.
Small kids doesn't stop you from biking lmfao. It just changes what setup of bike you need to have.
The only weather that would prevent it is a hurricane and you shouldn't be driving in one of those either.
Spoken like someone who hasn't had to deal with kids. Or worked a job with a dress code.
No, it's spoken like someone who's been to the numerous countries where they bike with their kids just fine.
A 5-7 mile commute is doable without being sweaty with the right bike.
Sure, because rain and snow don't exist.
Raincoats exist man. Rain bubbles exist. It's a solved problem. Snow just isn't that hard
Cars exist too, and a whole lot more effective than a raincoat or a bubble. It's a solved problem.
Cars are a problem. They pollute(yes, even electric ones), are costly to run, greatly increase the danger of neighborhoods, cause a reduction in smaller businesses. They make it more expensive for people who don't have money to get around, make it harder for children to get safely from place to place. They generate sizeable areas of development damage to growing people along major highways and roads(again, even electric causes this).
It's not a solved problem, cars are a problem.
Everything pollutes, yes, even bikes.
The degree is considerably different. And that still ignores the non pollution issues.
The usefulness is also considerably different.
Exactly my point: caring about a minor convenience.over seriously bettering the world.
It more like a major inconvenience vs infinitesimally bettering the world.
It's a small inconvenience for a major bettering of the world. You really underestimate how bad cars are for society and the planet. Cars account for 28% of usa emissions according to the epa(on a yet ungriefed section). Add in the rubber tires breaking down everywhere which gets worse as car weight increases, and you can see how it creates issues to wildlife, children, and the climate. Don't underestimate the emissions created in producing your electric car's batteries and tires either--- they're better than an ice but still an issue.
No wonder, americans still use 6 liters engines on 4 ton trucks to get groceries.
A small electric compact car with a small battery (soon to be sodium) solves all of the problems while performing the same functions.
No, it does not. Still has considerably more environmental impact that can be reasonably justified. Still creates more death. Wheel rubber will still be a major, and ignored, issue. Still encourages poor land use and lower activity. And frankly, ring me up when small electric cars exist--none of the current electric car models are small. Except the rarely used electric smart car.
It doesn't exist, except for the one it does. Excellent reasoning.
Sure. Point is they're not a serious consideration, they're not bought, have no range, and are useless. Larger models like yours have almost all the same issues cars do. You just want to feel better about the choices you make, instead of just understanding the actual issues cars pose
They have much more range than a bike, so bikes are even more useless?
Huh? They have 60 mile ranges, that's less than a bike.
But no, for long distance biking you take it in conjunction with trains. Can't take a smart car on a train
Yeah, who doesn't run a marathon everyday to work??
It's impressive how little you understand about how much energy biking takes
Anyone allowing themselves a 60 mile commute to work is crazy for multiple reasons. But again, trains
I commuted 14km (one way) by bike for years, I know very well how much energy it takes, but keep guessing.
If you think 14km is even close to comparable to a marathon, I'm going to continue questioning. that's a simple bike ride. Again, you have no idea how much energy it takes to bike.
There's weather I would prefer a house over a tent. Similarly there's weather I would drive in that I wouldn't bike in (even with a raincoat).
If you can't stand the slightest inconvenience to yourself for a better world, the world will never improve.
I think distance is a pretty good reason not to. Just not wanting to is a fair excuse too, honestly. A car is convenient.
That said, at the point where the weather prohibits going by bicycle, in my experience at least, you generally just don't go anywhere because it'd be perilous in a car as well. I recall when I visited Kiruna some years ago, other than the cars, most people I saw were getting around on kicksleds and bicycles. Even saw a couple of dog sleds.
As for kids, what I've generally seen here are three options; chariots (can usually hold up to two kids), parcel shelf seats (one child), or the kid bikes themselves. I was taught to ride a bicycle at three, and at seven I biked to and from school on my own.
Granted, in the U.S. I can see this not happening on account of everything being so bloody spread out that you need a car, and even if you did put up with the distance, the infrastructure isn't there; you can't go on the motorway with a bicycle. Urban planning over in the states is abysmal.
Overall agree. The weather I had in mind was mainly rain, super hard to avoid when biking, a non issue in a car. Wind can be unpleasant as well.
You can not bike the roads where I live. Also, there is no bus station or train station to bike to.
Sounds like a problem that needs solving.
Also, local bus that runs on the train timetable. Brings people to and from the train as well as the shops. Ideal.
I prefer to arrive at work/school/shops not sopping wet, and it sometimes rains.
I, personally, could bike or walk because the station would be particularly close to my residence. But, there are others in the county where to get to the closest station they'd be biking much further than they are currently healthy enough to accomplish.
Bikes are not a good option at this density either.
Raincoats! I have a nice yellow raincoat that folds up and inverts into its own pocket, turning into a little square you can tuck away in a bag or something. It's super convenient.
Okay but what if I’m sopping wet with sweat from the heat and I also smell bad now.
Unless the general stink of the any large concentration of humans will overpower it.
If only science could devise some sort of way to keep you dry in the rain. One day, perhaps
A car does it pretty well!
Caring about convenience over the environment and health is exactly the problem. They'll get healthy enough.
This is a very ablist view.
Ablest is when pro environment . Yeah no. It's easy to create exceptions for the small portion of the population who is fully incapable of biking. Less car dependency will allow those who can't drive to get around far more safely, actually leading to more mobility for people with issues like legal blindness that prevent them from driving but not prevent them from other multimodal forms of transit
"They'll get healthy enough" is an albist view, no matter what else you might believe in.
It's strictly true. It's not ablest. The overwhelming majority of those who cannot have no serious underlying reason as to why not