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Trump is washing his hands of the Ukraine war
(www.telegraph.co.uk)
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just summed up NATO support for Ukraine
NATO support for Ukraine is summed up by a mix of "Liberal Democracies desperate cling to Rules based International Order despite hypocrisies" and "European countries with long history of being invaded and terrorized by Russia oppose countries being invaded and terrorized by Russia"
Neither NATO nor Ukraine are Fascist so… no
'Invading Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libra, Vietnam, Syria, etc., engaging in genocide, coups, kidnapping, torture, operations Gladio and the like is totally not fascist!'
meanwhile in the real world
I'm not interested in getting into a debate about whether Ukraine is fascist state (my official stance is "it's complicated"), but you should probably divide it cleanly into the period under a US-appointed neo-Nazi president and under a politically impotent Jewish president.
There isn't really a clean division, because while it's true that Zelensky ran on a platform of making peace in Donbas he was also bankrolled by Kolomoisky, who's the same guy that's tight with Azov https://www.thedailybeast.com/billionaire-ukrainian-oligarch-ihor-kolomoisky-under-investigation-by-fbi
In general, banderites and other far right groups continue to have a huge amount of political power there. Lots of top officials, like Zaluzhny, are very open about it too.
It's still an important distinction. A state run completely by Banderites vs a state where Banderites have considerable influence. In the former case the instigator is the entire state apparatus, in the latter case it's dark forces within the state that need to be fought against.
Anything from before the election of Zelensky can easily be brushed aside, and rightly so, as a criticism of the past state of Ukraine.
The current state of Ukraine isn't fundamentally different. If anything, under Zelensky, opposition parties and independent media have been banned, and elections have been cancelled. Ukraine today is basically a dictatorship that's aligned with the fascist forces.
Its really not complicated
My dude came with cherry picked receipts! I’ll tell you why you’re wrong later
whatever you say fash 🤡
I’m not a fascist
yeah, just like NATO and Ukraine
Correct
see, wasn't that hard to come clean
Yes coming clean about not being a fascist is very easy. Because I am not one.
just like the fascists you keep defending in this thread
I’ve not defended any fascists in this thread
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Ukraine has fascist elements, as does NATO. I don't think as a whole either are fascist but the US is overwhelmingly central to NATO and the US is 100% fascist (regardless of which party is in power).
I agree that the United States is on its way to being fascist yes.