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So you're saying that if a culture has been in a land for a long time, that's okay? That kind of already is what a genealogical history is though?
Indigenous Australians have been on this land for 60,000 years, they have one of the oldest extant cultures on earth. I personally think they get to say "this land is ours".
Then what's ok? Genuine question. I don't follow.
I agree. I also agree that Palestine belongs to the palestinians. But there's a diffenence between stating that a people has inhabited a land for a long time, resulting in a claim for the land and claiming that some individual person doesn't belong here, because their family is from someplace else.
Also, you shouldn't use Israel's line of reasoning. Let me give you an example of what I mean:
Let's say you wanted to debunk a real NSDAP Nazi from 1940s Germany. Would you agree with them that different races are stronger than the others and that the strongest must dominate the latter, pointing the out that Germany will lose the war, therefore the German "race" can't be superior... or will you not give credit to that whole premise outright?
What the fluff are you talking about?
What I'm saying is that native people's deserve recognition of their status as the original inhabitants of a land in opposition to settler-colonialism. That's not using the same argument as Israel because, at least in the case of Australia, white people were never here before. It's ridiculous to "both sides" that issue.
I agree. That's not what OP was stating. OP's video said that Bibi Netanyahu doesn't belong there because his ancestors were polish. That's an ethnopluralist standpoint.
I agree. That's not what I'm doing, though. Israel's justifications are ridiculous. That's why you shouldn't use their kind of justification. Even if it's pro palestine.
If an Indigenous Australian said to me "Your ancestors were Irish and Italian, you don't belong here" I wouldn't fault them at all for that. Least of all because they have zero power to enforce that, and would pawbably be using it as a rhetorical device.
How is this argument different from ethnopluralism?
Because, at the end of the day, Indigenous Australians are the ones who should get to decide. Their land was invaded, and they were violently suppressed. This is all a hypothetical though, because the Indigenous Australians I've met just want their rights back, they don't want to kick out every white person that's come here.
I don't really adhere to the logic that anargument loses it's characteristics if you're unable to enforce it.
If I'm exclaiming "death to all jews", it's still antisemitic if I'm unable to hurt a single person.
I really don't want to downplay the suffering that indigenous peoples are still enduring due to colonization. But the "your ancestors are from xyz, so you don't belong in abc" is the core statement of ethnopluralism. It doesn't get better if you're being an ethnonationalist/ethnopluralist in favour of the "right" peoples.
I dunno, I don't believe reverse racism is real, but you do you.
I don't know what else to tell you. "People don't belong in places were their ancestors aren't from" is the literal opinion of current real-world racists.
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