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I wonder what the rapture equivalent is?
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It's coming from .world. OP and most of these comments are talking about their weird idea of what MLs believe and practice, while ignoring MLs in this very post. It would be different if OP was Lenin in 1902.
'Not all MLs!'
But quite a fucking lot of MLs. The loudest MLs. And their mods. And their admins.
You can't stretch this into prejudice and claim offense. It's explicitly describing a subset, and they are right there for the lookin'.
You're doing it right now. If you think that's what MLs here believe, @ them and ask them if they believe this.
It would be really weird if marxist leninists didn't read Lenin or derived works.
'I am explicitly talking about highly visible people not necessarily present.'
'Well I don't see them present.'
This is not a me problem.
And every Christian is super good about what Jesus said.
Proving your claim is your problem, and it would be trivial to just name the people you're talking about if you actually cared about what they believed. But you'd rather keep being mad and getting other people mad about this type of person that only exists in your head.
Yogthos, Cowbee, Davel, Dessalines, Linkerbaan, off the top of my head.
Not that burden of proof was on me, since your claim is the absolute, from improbable ignorance. Like there's no reason ML has this reputation. Zero MLs do the thing everyone expects from ML! It is a miracle.
And I worry that that phrasing hews too close to your strawman, where "some" means "all." If some ML who's merely a serial annoyance insists they're not a tankie fundamentalist, then there is no such person.
Why am I bothering. You think pointing to theory means nobody could act differently.
Revolutionaries don't say that anything less than revolution is worthless, we just point out how electoralism cannot solve the fundamental problems of capitalist society. We also don't say that revolution fixes everything overnight, it merely allows us to start building and developing socialism, with all of the difficulties and new problems we face when that happens. We also don't baselessly say revolution is coming any minute or anything, just that as capitalism decays it grows more and more likely, which is reflected in crisis and more violent reaction, like we are seeing with the Trump admin.
Overall, you seem dead-set on misinterpreting MLs. I think if you made an effort to engage with us, you'd better understand why we say the things we do.
I can start, but no tankie will ever touch this point out of fear.
Juche requires a caste system. How do you justify that?
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Any of yall wanna talk about whatever orgs you're part of? This guy seems to think yall just sit around waiting for a revolution.
Gonna skip Dessalines, since he literally wrote Lemmy, I think that counts as organizing.
I'd rather not mention the org I work with by name for my own security reasons, plus my involvement is limited for now so it would lean more stolen valor until I can increase my involvement.
He can slander them and make strawmen but as soon as they're invited to the same stage now it's evil. Weird how one can create strawmen but can't deal with the actual people.
Online I'm mostly just doing awareness raising, but I'm part of an actual organisation with a goal. Though I'm not sharing any details about that for self-doxxing purposes.
Seeing how much importance and money israel gives to online propaganda it's comical when people say that it is a meaningless endeavor to debunk them.
Oh fuck off, don't drag the tankies I've blocked into a thread talking shit about them. What an amazing idea for constructive conversation!
So you want to dismiss them but don't want to actually have them combat your strawmen? Good idea, surely you're not posting your ass by doing this.
"I have invited multiple bad-faith addicts to harass you. Be grateful! This is your fault!"
You're totally not acting in bad faith at all here, not at all.
Correct, I'm not. I've been bluntly honest and fairly specific the whole time. Do you not know what bad faith means? It wouldn't surprise me, when you think endlessly bickering with sea-lions is the only the appropriate response, and anything less must be proving them right.
There's people whose behavior I've long since written off as consistently irrational, infuriating, and worst of all, shielded by their equally shitty moderators and admins. Why the fuck would I want to hash it out with them, for your amusement?
Not my amusement at all, I don't really care too much. It's just kinda weird that you talk about people and then when they are invited to the same soap box it's fowl play to you.
Also more strawmen from you about me isn't helping your case. You can't build an argument from an army of them.
Aren't you being a little hypocritical when you participate in a community that doesn't allow people to defend themselves?
people also have the right to block people they don't like, simple as, you can't get upset over that
'Weird how you don't want to talk to the people you never want to see again.'
Troll.
Anyone who disagrees with you is a troll. Lemme know when you block me too.
What was the first sentence, buddy? What's the argument you've ignored three times now?
Do you know what having an opinion would look like, or is it just ctrl+f for my username and attack attack attack?
I didn't even connect the dots until 5 minutes ago. Sorry I have pattern recognition.
Ironic from your end.
YOU replied to ME, numbnuts. It shows up in my inbox.
Notably: still nothing to say in defense of inviting trolls. Not even 'hmm, curious!' anymore. You're just begging for attention, without effort or contribution. There is no point your bullshit builds toward.
If only we had a word for that kind of time-vampire behavior.
Yes I know, I also get these in my inbox. I'm not digging into your profile, I don't do that. I'm replying to when these get into my inbox.
And if I'm a time vampire to you, then block me? You clearly know how. Or just stop replying to me.
I'm not your parent, figure it out. I'm not even resorting to insults.
Thank you for consistently demonstrating the futility of talking to sea-lions.
You wanna know why I wasn't keen to talk to the ML trolls I've long since blocked? Shit like this. No amount of dragging you back toward the argument you barged into will convince you to do anything but posture and snit and insist you're blameless, without saying a goddamn word on the topic you sneered about.
Sure I'm blameless, I just said I found it weird that you had issues with users, which is fine, blocked them, which is fine, and then got mad at one (1) of them, even though you've blocked them and never need to interact with them again.
You seem very angry at me. Maybe try to have a better time on the Internet.
Maybe try to be less awful to deal with.
I have done nothing wrong, you're the one who's been weird for the last 2 hours and acting like everyone else in the room is the jerk.
these dingus lefties are the worst and whats worse is they wont stop commenting back its like come on guy youve given me several chances and im clearly refusing to engage you in an honest debate so why do they even keep trying and you know what one of them even asked to see my bank statement can you believe that and they said facts dont care about your feeling when thats OUR line so sure call me racist for assuming every one of these lefties is trash right from the start but i didnt start this culture war obama did that and im just here to end it
oh hello therapyguy, why make so many alts?
People defending themselves after you told other people they believe a bunch of shit you just made up isn't harassing you.
Defending yourself from slander is the real harassment.
"I didn't see it so it didn't happen."
Are you saying they've professed those beliefs, but elsewhere and I should believe you even though you won't show me where, or you're being harassed elsewhere?
Why should he give links to prove his points? He's angry that's all that matters!
"PROVE YOUR OPINIONS TO ME OR YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THEM!"
It gets weird when that opinion is just spreading lies about what other people on Lemmy say.
I am not going to crawl through multiple assholes' post history, to find the parts that pissed me off the most, when I'm not tolerating this conversation. I didn't name names until you demanded I do so, and then you invited those assholes to shitpost anew. My expectations for what you'd even do with receipts is subterranean.
Fuck off.
Well that's a wonderful way to make sure your preconceived notions can never be altered by evidence.
Give proven trolls endless chances, says infuriating dingus. Surely recognizing someone's an asshole based on how they act over and over and over is the same thing as prejudice.
You're not allowed to have an opinion unless you can show me receipts, right now.
I'm not a troll, anyone can go through my post and comment history and tell that I put a serious effort into learning and studying theory, discussing it with others, and in recent months have begun doing actual org work IRL (though limited for now). I'm often called a troll as ad hominem meant to discredit anything I say, but that's just not accurate. It's just easy to reduce me to a troll to justify not actually listening to what I say, I suppose.
He has you blocked so I don't know why he cares about you being mentioned.
Yea, it's odd, but figured I'd respond to their claims anyways for others to see. Maybe they don't want to feel "dogpiled on" even if they can't see? Plus I think I'm the only one that actually responded anyways out of that list, and the Yogthos mention looks broken anyways.
Clearly being pinged when someone wants you to defend yourself is evil, or something.
Can't expect much from a transphobe.
Yea, there are a few users that have permanent hatred for me and will mention me out of the blue like that as someone they specifically hate, terminally online behavior IMO but whatever.
I disagree with you at times due to the fact you support more Marxist/Leninist/Maoist thought, but yeah it's terminally online behavior.
Happens to UniversalMonk too.
Oh I'm aware you disagree with me, I'm more referring to users like the MeanwhileOnGrad regulars that stalk my profile for screengrabs devoid of context. There are a few on dbzer0, but most are on Lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works. I'm normally pretty chill with anarchists unless they start attacking me or socialist countries on what I consider a false basis, outside of that I'm happy to work with anarchists or just meme and shitpost with them.
Technical correction on terms, but I am a Marxist-Leninist. Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is more used by groups like The Shining Path of Peru, terrorists that uphold Gonzalo and Pol Pot. Maoists are similar but usually disavow Gonzalo, and are most significant in the Naxalites in India, who I critique theoretically but are worthy of support generally. I uphold Mao as a Marxist-Leninist, as all MLs do, but don't agree with the universality of concepts like protracted people's war.
Additionally, Maoists and MLMs tend to see Actually Existing Socialism as false, basically anything post-Stalin and post-Mao, seeing countries even like Cuba as betrayers of socialism. I disagree, of course.
Tiny bit of term correction! You don't have to do any study or anything on that, though, just wanted to clear stuff up incase someone thought I was a Gonzaloist based on your comment.
I'm very curious about these disagreements you've had. Can you share those? Sounds like an interesting read