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"No Duh," say senior developers everywhere.

The article explains that vibe code often is close, but not quite, functional, requiring developers to go in and find where the problems are - resulting in a net slowdown of development rather than productivity gains.

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[-] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 17 points 6 months ago

I mean.. At best it's a stack overflow/google replacement.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There's some real perks to using AI to code - it helps a ton with templatable or repetitive code, and setting up tedious tasks. I hate doing that stuff by hand so being able to pass it off to copilot is great. But we already had tools that gave us 90% of the functionality copilot adds there, so it's not super novel, and I've never had it handle anything properly complicated at all successfully (asking GPT-5 to do your dynamic SQL calls is inviting disaster, for example. Requires hours of reworking just to get close.)

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 16 points 6 months ago

But we already had tools that gave us 90%

More reliable ones.

[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I’ve had plenty of success using it to build things like docker compose yamls and the like, but for anything functional, it does often take a few tries to get it right. I never use its raw for anything in production. Only as a leaping off point to structure things.

[-] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 6 months ago

Fair, I've used it recently to translate a translations.ts file to Spanish.

But for repetitive code, I feel like it is kind of a slow down sometimes. I should have refactored instead.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Some code is boilerplate and can’t be distilled down more. It’s nice to point an AI to a database schema and say “write the Django models, admin, forms, and api for this schema, using these authentication permissions”. Yeah I’ll have to verify it’s done right, but that gets a lot of the boring typing out of the way.

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

I use it for writing code to call APIs and is a huge boon.

Yeah, you have to check the results, but it’s way faster than me.

[-] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one -1 points 6 months ago
[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

So much of the AI hype has been pointing to ten year old technology repackaged in a slick new interface.

AI is the iPod to the Zune of yesteryear.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 6 months ago

Repackaging old technology in slick new interfaces is what we have been calling progress in computer software for 40+ years.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I mean... I like to think we've done a bit more than that. FFS, file compression alone has made leaps and bounds since the 3.25" floppy days.

Also, as a T-SQL guy, I gotta say there's a world of difference between SQL 2008 and SQL 2022.

But I'll spot you that a lot of the last 10-15 years has produced herculean efforts in answering the question "How can we squeeze a few more ads into your GUI?"

[-] Flamekebab@piefed.social 0 points 6 months ago

Similarly I find it very useful for if I've written a tool script and really don't want to write the command line interface for it.

"Here's a well-documented function - write an argparser for it"

...then I fix its rubbish assumptions and mistakes. It's probably not drastically quicker but it doesn't require as much effort from me, meaning I can go harder on the actual function (rather than keeping some effort in reserve to get over the final hump).

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it -1 points 6 months ago

(asking GPT-5 to do your dynamic SQL calls is inviting disaster, for example. Requires hours of reworking just to get close.)

Maybe it's the dynamic SQL calls themselves that are inviting disaster?

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Dynamic SQL in of itself not an issue, but the consequences (exacerbated by SQL's inherent irrecoverability from mistakes - hope you have backups) have stigmatized its use heavily. With an understanding of good practice, a proper development environment and a close eye on the junior devs, there's no inherent issue to using it.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 9 points 6 months ago

I found that it only does well if the task is already well covered by the usual sources. Ask for anything novel and it shits the bed.

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That's because it doesn't understand anything and is just vomiting forth output based on the code that was fed into it.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

At absolute best.

My experience is it's the bottom stack overflow answers. Making up bullshit and nonexistent commands, etc.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

In the beginning there were manufacturer's manuals, spec sheets, etc.

Then there were magazines, like Byte, InfoWorld, Compute! that showed you a bit more than just the specs

Then there were books, including the X for Dummies series that purported to teach you theory and practice

Then there was Google / Stack Overflow and friends

Somewhere along there, where depends a lot on your age, there were school / University courses

Now we have "AI mode"

Each step along that road has offered a significant speedup, connecting ideas to theory to practice.

I agree, all the "magic bullet" AI hype is far overblown. However, with AI something I new I can do is, interactively, develop a specification and a program. Throw out the code several times while the spec gets refined, re-implemented, tried in different languages with different libraries. It's still only good for "small" projects, but less than a year ago "small" meant less than 1000 lines of code. These days I'm seeing 300 lines of specification turn into 1500-3000 lines of code and have it running successfully within half a day.

I don't know if we're going to face a Kurzweilian singularity where these things start improving themselves at exponential rates, or if we'll hit another 30 year plateau like neural nets did back in the 1990s... As things are, Claude helps me make small projects several times faster than I could ever do with Google and Stack Overflow. And you can build significant systems out of cooperating small projects.

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