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[-] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

The USA should absolutely be called totalitarian. Their prison industrial complex is fed a constant stream of bodies. Laws created just to keep the slave labour flowing.

I never for one second suggested that the USA are the good guys. They are international aggressors that feed on war. Locally they have zero care or regard for their own population. The best healthcare in the world, but only if you can afford to pay. Housing affordability so bad that the homeless population grows year on year with no end in site...people just die in the cold.

What I don't understand is how you can bury your head in the sand on China. How can you sit there with any conviction and sing their praises?

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/china-allegedly-has-two-secret-police-stations-in-australia-what-do-we-know-about-them/dz2lmxb13

This is happening where I live. We have a large number of Chinese students at our Universities. Some of them get politically activated whilst they are here, and with a bit of a break from the brainwashing they realise what they are living under at home, maybe they say the wrong thing within earshot of one of the many party spies planted at their university. Maybe nobody ever sees them again.

It's not a system I am in any way interested in supporting, yet I'm typing this on a Chinese phone. I'm complicit in brutality, just not as much as you.

[-] robinn2@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Barely a response. I'll tackle the "secret 'police stations'" bit (Safeguard Defenders report) since it has already been addressed by the Paul Tsai China Centre of Yale.

Some of them get politically activated whilst they are here, and with a bit of a break from the brainwashing they realise what they are living under at home, maybe they say the wrong thing within earshot of one of the many party spies planted at their university. Maybe nobody ever sees them again.

"Maybe nobody ever sees them again", prove this. "Maybe this happens then maybe this happens then maybe (maybe) this happens" isn't an argument. If China is forcing everyone to agree, wouldn't 100% of respondents in non-govnt. polls say they completely support the party/government at all levels, at least after a couple trials of rooting out the dissidents? It doesn't make sense (the Harvard study also refutes this mode of analysis, but this was ignored of course). I've shown you to be incorrect repeatedly [1] [2], and yet none of this is addressed.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Great response! You have incredible patience

[-] JuneFall@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe nobody ever sees them again.

Disappearing people is something the USA did and taught dictators and similar all around the world including South America. This image of Pinochet and alike is what they evoke with the sentence. "Nobody" means death. This is as you rightly called out propaganda.

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